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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio now here's

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gene Stein so let me bring things up to

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date if you're a regular visitor to the

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para cast forums you might have seen a

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post we put up about the impending

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appearance of Nick Redfern to discuss

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his new book from the wellin about

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shapeshifters that's you know pretty

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good for the Halloween season and

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everything and it's about werewolves and

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all that good stuff you know I think of

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shapeshifters from the TV show True

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Blood

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you saw that Paul Campbell right

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remember that show I remember the show

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but I never actually watched it well

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everybody was a shapeshifter I mean a

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lot of the characters but the way they

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did their by the way because it was a

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r-rated TV show on a premium network the

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shapeshifter would first pull his

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clothes off for her clothes off and then

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become the other creature the wolf or

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the legal whatever they're going to be

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shape-shifting okay so we would not talk

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about that with Nick because he has a

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good slant on everything and he writes

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great books

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unfortunately Nick came down with an

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infection it made you know a little

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rough for him to talk and he's on

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antibiotics and they'll be okay next

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week you know it's nothing serious it's

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one of those things so I contacted Paul

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Campbell because I figured this is the

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Halloween season he's got a new TV show

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he's working on

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it's called haunted just appropriate

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that would bring them on but Paul before

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we get into the nitty-gritty of ghosts

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and hauntings and all that stuff let's

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toss this out and get rid of a couple of

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other subjects so last week speaking of

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that other subject the 50th anniversary

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shag Harbor UFO festival you were a

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speaker there yeah it was the 50th

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anniversary of shag Harbor here in Nova

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Scotia up here in Canada so there's a

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big kind of festival there were about

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200 people there it's a very isolated

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community on the south shore probably

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about three hours from Halifax where I

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live but a lot of witnesses including

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the original witnesses from the case

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Laurie Wickens and others Chris Stiles

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was the keynote speaker graham Simms my

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friend who co-wrote the last shag

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harbour book with Chris Aron galius came

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up from the United States I brought Erin

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up to talk about the history of UFO

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crashes and I sort of spoke about the

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theoretical framework for UFO studies in

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the 21st century and there were other

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speakers do in fact we actually had some

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contact DS which which is very Aaron's

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sort of mind was blown he was furiously

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scribbling notes because he's fascinated

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by the contactees so but there were

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local contactees who said that on the

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night around the night in 1967 when the

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shag harbour UFO incident happened they

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had some sort of very contact like

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experience including Nordic aliens and

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valiant Thor and all this sort of stuff

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so it's kind of like taking a step back

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into the 1950s or 1960s when they were

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on ten years ago I might have went live

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this is all crazy you know now I sort of

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say well I don't think you saw a Thor

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note but maybe you did have some sort of

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experience that presented itself to you

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that way and so their stories were

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interesting they seemed sincere and at

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the very least you know they got a good

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listening from the from the audience

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yeah it was it was a good weekend all

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the way around and to prove that there

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is no laughter curtain with UFOs there

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were two politicians there me I guess

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I'm still a politician even though I

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didn't win but I'm still involved and

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the local member of the Legislative

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Assembly which would be like a state

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representative guy named Kristen Schmo

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good fella

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he showed up to so you know nobody I

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don't know about in the United States

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but nobody up here in Canada is afraid

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of the big bad wolf that is UFOs or the

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paranormal or ghosts or anything like

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that we're all pretty cool with it

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because we all find it pretty

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interesting that's always interesting

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here because I know there are people out

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there who are afraid to talk about UFOs

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and somehow they're afraid it will

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affect their career but early on I was a

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traditional broadcast newscaster back in

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the 70s and I was doing the UFO psychic

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ghosts thing ahem magazine and

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everything and they never bothered me

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they never mentioned it to me wasn't on

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their radar as long as I cover the news

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and

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paid it would be different if you walked

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up I think and said I've been abducted

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20 times by space aliens from Zeta

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Reticuli that people might look at you a

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little differently then but if you just

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have an interest in the subject whether

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from a historical point of view or a

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cultural or sociological point of view

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or even a scientific point of view

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that's fine I've never run into anybody

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in my day-to-day life that has made fun

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of me or gone you're crazy or this

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somehow disqualifies you from being a

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television producer or a politician or

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historian or a lawyer or whatever else

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it is that I do so I remember uncle Stan

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you know for many years would say

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there's a laughter curtain about UFOs

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and maybe there is to a point when

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you're talking about personal

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experiences but I just don't think so

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especially if you're somebody who's

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studying the subject or the people

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involved in the subject I I don't see

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where there's there's any sort of thing

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that you should be afraid of at least

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not in my experience I've never had a

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problem at all and I've never met

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anybody who's had a problem and that

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includes guys like Nick Redfern and Greg

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Bishop and Mack Toni's and Aaron gulley

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is who writes about this sort of stuff

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and my group of friends Myka Hanks who

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you had on last week I mean we all go

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about our business and and we never seem

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to have a problem with it

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so I don't know where the laughter

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curtain is anyway that would be my

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message don't be afraid I'm talking

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about UFOs are having an interest in

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them or anything to do with the

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paranormal as evidenced by the fact that

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there were a lot of people at this

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conference this past weekend for shag

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Harbor in fact everybody that was there

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just normal people who were interested

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in this story who were looking for some

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answers about what might have happened

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here in Nova Scotia 50 years ago for a

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case that is still unsolved you know

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it's interesting I do of courses our

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listeners know another radio show called

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the tech night how live that was my

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first radio show my first internet radio

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show before we got on the gcn network

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and when the power cast was added I

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would promote or in cross-promote both

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shows at the end of the tech night out

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life I say we have another radio show

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about UFOs and things that go bump in

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the night and I stopped with the bump

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and no one complains in fact the number

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of listeners say hey that's cool I

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should listen to that and they go on

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with their business they go on with

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their life let me get hit you with one

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more thing I don't know if Chris saw

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this of course we have the power cast

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plus anti listeners like it and we'd

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love more listeners to join us but Cajun

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aliy people will give it up and usually

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it's gonna be you know there's only so

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many things I can afford and one more

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bill I can't handle and I say that's

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cool when you're ready you're welcome

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back another one and this gets to this

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discussion as we lead to our main topic

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of the evening he writes back you know

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what I really like UFOs

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and all that but nothing's happening you

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know I hear all the things that you're

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talking about and I want to see

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scientists take it over and do something

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with it but nothing has happened all

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these decades I'm getting sick and tired

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of it already it's the same old thing

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even if we come back and say is you and

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I and others have mentioned that some of

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the old classic cases don't hold up any

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that's not bleeding towards a solution

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people want solutions and this

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particular case he says I had enough for

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now so what can you do with something

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like that you can't do anything that's

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the person's personal tastes do more

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episodes about tricksters and ghosts and

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hauntings and shapeshifters because

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honestly I've find that stuff more

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interesting and he's right you know I

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was on a radio show here in Halifax last

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week that I've been on many times before

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both as a politician but also a

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filmmaker often talking about the

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paranormal and the host who's a friend

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of mine gave me a bit of a rough ride

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which is perfectly fair talk radio and

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he said look why aren't there any good

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UFO photos today and there should be

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everybody has a cell phone and I kind of

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sort of said well look I can give you

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one of two answers one answer is there's

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nothing to take a picture of for

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whatever reason maybe like Carl phlox

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said they were here they they took a few

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samples they buzzed around the planet

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and they took off which would make sense

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it follows our own pattern the European

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pattern of exploration

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where P you know ships would go out

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visit an island in the Pacific or

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somewhere in South America and then you

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might never see the Europeans for 20 or

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30 years so they might be following our

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pattern it's a big galaxy the other

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thing is and I tried to be kind to those

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people who still think space aliens are

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visiting here I said look the other

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possibility is that they don't want to

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be seen and he said well that's a bit of

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a dodge isn't it now I'm yeah it is

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actually

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but try this one on for size if you're

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looking at your cell phone which so many

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people seem to be doing these days

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you're not looking up at the sky we can

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get into a big thing about that just

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that particular topic Paul Campbell

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joining us this week with Jean and Chris

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para cast comm with Deena and Chris we

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have Paul Campbell we're going to move

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to ghosts and other things so just stand

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by with us now the thing about the

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cellphone deal now this is something

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here where it's an entire cultural thing

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as Paul and Chris know where people walk

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down the street even worse they cross

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the street now when I was a kid what is

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my teachers show me when I was in

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elementary school look both ways before

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you cross now what happens is people

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look down at their cell phone if you're

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the driver you better watch out because

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you might hit some of these people

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because they're not paying attention so

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if you wonder why maybe people don't

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capture something in the sky if there

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was anything in the sky to capture it's

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because their heads are not in the sand

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their heads are looking at their iPhones

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or their Samsung those are their pixels

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but how do you change that culture you

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can't well why would you want to I mean

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at the end of the day if somebody wants

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to set up a camera ray and point you'd

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have a much better luck first of all

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most of the people that my friend the

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radio host was talking about live in

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cities more and more people were living

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in urban areas good luck looking up this

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guy and trying to with the light that's

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coming from the cities or the towns but

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also all the things they're flying over

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to distinguish anything that might be

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truly anomalous so first step go out

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to the middle of nowhere like shag

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harbour where you can take a look up and

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see the crystal clear night sky and then

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if you want to sit out there and do a

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sky watch who knows maybe you'll see

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something at that point if you have a

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good camera and I would suggest

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something better than a cell phone which

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you're holding in your hand got a really

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good camera then you might actually pick

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something up so that's not to say it

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doesn't happen or it couldn't happen

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it's just to say that it isn't happening

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and to be perfectly honest and I'm sure

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this will annoy some listeners on your

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forum and I sort of apologize for that I

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don't mean to annoy them but there

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haven't been any really really good

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cases in a really really long time and

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so getting back to that thing you asked

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me about last time I was on on after the

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para cast that top-10 film list even

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when I did it in 2007 of the cases that

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were picked the most recent one was a

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case in Canada the UConn case which I

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think was 1996 and that was the only one

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that was Rendlesham was 1980 fair enough

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after that it was Wenders from the rest

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of them were all in the 60s and the 50s

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and one I think in the 70s are - in the

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70s but there were no cases in the

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previous sort of 10 years and if I was

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to do that kind of survey now I'd get

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the same answer the the best cases

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people would tell you happen in the 50s

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and 60s maybe the 70s and that might be

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an indication that there's nothing going

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on that maybe Carl was right if there

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are space aliens they came they took a

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look around and they've gone and maybe

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someday they'll come back but there

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doesn't seem to be an indication that

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they're here at least in terms of good

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solid UFO cases and sightings now if you

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believe the abduction sort of phenomenon

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is true well that's a whole different

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kettle of fish but I don't cotton to

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that so you know unless you want to go

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down that rabbit hole there doesn't seem

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to be a lot of evidence indicating that

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recently at least there have been space

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for aliens buzzing about the planet

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Earth and the thing about abductions

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without going into detail is I find it

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fascinating this theory that a number of

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people voice red pill junky described it

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on the Power casts on a couple of

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occasions I wrote one of our newsletters

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and

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that is that there is a remarkable

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resemblance between near-death

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experiences and UFO abductions and you

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can't assume that near-death experiences

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are the result of meeting up ET the

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result of possibly your heart stopping

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so if you're seeing something vaguely

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similar and if there are resemblances

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it's telling me that abductions are not

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what some people say on the surface

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interactions with ET something else is

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going on in that same something is

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causing different people to see at

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different ways depending on their

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circumstances look I think Chris to some

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extent I don't agree with everything

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Chris is written nor would I expect him

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to agree with everything I would say but

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the concept of the trickster and I might

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call it something different although on

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haunted there's my segue look at that

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that's awesome that's great ray do you

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want to have something called haunted

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right now I do i I have a television

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series called haunted and on haunted in

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the very first episode where we're

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reintroducing Holly and I to the

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audience after 9 years of not being on

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television I sort of sit down I talk

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about because a lot of stuff was

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happening to us in that episode and a

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lot of it was different stuff so

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different things were happening to

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different people in the same building at

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different places very weird stuff what

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Jacques Vallee would call high

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strangeness and I said look Holly what

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if and I'm gonna do the shorthand

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version here we're dealing with a

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trickster something some non-human

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intelligence don't care where it's from

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could be from Zeta Reticuli could be God

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could be a demon who knows could be no I

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don't know but it's it's playing with us

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as Mac would have said in the way that

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we play with cats with laser pointers

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and that sort of stuff her first

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question had been well why do you think

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they'd be doing this and then I use the

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cat analogy and they don't think she

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really liked that the idea that

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something might be playing with us but

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you know you can find many reasons why

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it might be interacting with us whatever

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it is but it does seem looking back on

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my time with ghost cases nine years ago

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but also the the 13 episodes at Holly

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and I shot this spring and summer in

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both cases very much it seemed to be

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sort of a trickster ish kind of

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phenomenon

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it was taking place and you know we can

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talk about that and the various theories

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about what hauntings might be I do not

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subscribe to the idea that it's the

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ghosts of your deceased on Myrtle or

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something like that

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I know a lot of people to do but I don't

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I think we're dealing with something

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much more interesting as somebody who's

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50 now closer to dead than alive you

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know although I hope I have many years

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to go but I would hope that if there's

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an afterlife it's more interesting than

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hanging out in fill in the blank of the

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buildings I've been in you know haunting

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to people that live or work or visit

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there so I'd like to think there's

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something more to the afterlife than

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just that kind of mundane post human

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existence if you will well certainly for

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someone like Tom Petty I would hope that

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whatever happens now that he's left us

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that he's doing something fascinating

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wherever he is or I had this other

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theory about life after death as we

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segue here to haunt it and everything

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that the individual who died doesn't

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know it he just passes to something else

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and doesn't realize that in another

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reality or another place he is dead he's

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going on about his business and I don't

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know whether it's the same business or a

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different kind of business and he

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doesn't have that memory yeah the truth

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is until the moment comes when we are no

548
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more none of us are ever gonna know and

549
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I actually said that at the shag Harper

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Festival I said none of us is really

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ever gonna know what any of this stuff

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is and there was a lady in the back and

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she went boom I know and I went well

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that's cool ma'am no as far as I'm

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concerned everybody else here doesn't so

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you know if you you think you know and I

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respect that that's fine

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but if you're an objective observer

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outside it's like when people on the

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forums or anywhere else say or the James

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Fox film I know what I saw no you don't

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you know that's the dumbest title ever

563
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in terms of being able to interpret what

564
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it might have been you don't know what

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you saw any more than I do

566
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you saw something and you can describe

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what you saw so I guess in that sense I

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know what I saw is true but in terms of

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actually coming up with an answer what

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it is dumbest title ever well you know

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what I think we'll ask James about that

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book probably it's a marketing

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you know I'm sure the titles are things

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that sell the movie and therefore you

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know snakes on a plane

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well we know what that's about in fact

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the title alone was enough to inform

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producer of dark skies the co-author of

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[Music]

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so Chris O'Brien since you are the

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trickster person

695
00:27:33,899 --> 00:27:29,619
the trickster expert amongst our little

696
00:27:36,749 --> 00:27:33,909
about that okay so the case here is do

697
00:27:39,810 --> 00:27:36,759
you think in terms of the resemblance

698
00:27:41,849 --> 00:27:39,820
between UFO abductions and near-death

699
00:27:45,479 --> 00:27:41,859
experiences or some trickster thingy

700
00:27:48,810 --> 00:27:45,489
stuff going on the term trickster I

701
00:27:51,899 --> 00:27:48,820
think is is has been coined obviously

702
00:27:53,399 --> 00:27:51,909
before I came along as a way to try to

703
00:27:57,149 --> 00:27:53,409
describe something that's very very

704
00:27:59,819 --> 00:27:57,159
difficult to number one lock down a

705
00:28:03,229 --> 00:27:59,829
definition and number two come up with a

706
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:03,239
a term that isn't loaded with lots of

707
00:28:06,930 --> 00:28:06,129
innuendo or front-loading or that that

708
00:28:09,509 --> 00:28:06,940
sort of thing

709
00:28:12,659 --> 00:28:09,519
people's preconceived notions and so

710
00:28:16,289 --> 00:28:12,669
trickster is a convenient term I look at

711
00:28:19,019 --> 00:28:16,299
it more as a connective mechanism that

712
00:28:20,939 --> 00:28:19,029
seems to tie what appears to be on the

713
00:28:23,789 --> 00:28:20,949
surface you know sort of divergent

714
00:28:26,430 --> 00:28:23,799
phenomenal events or categories of

715
00:28:30,149 --> 00:28:26,440
phenomena it kind of ties them together

716
00:28:32,549 --> 00:28:30,159
I think hauntings UFOs many cryptid

717
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:32,559
sightings have this kind of giggle

718
00:28:38,999 --> 00:28:36,129
factor that's present in almost all the

719
00:28:41,369 --> 00:28:39,009
time and you don't hear about it as much

720
00:28:43,709 --> 00:28:41,379
because I think witnesses tend to shy

721
00:28:46,409 --> 00:28:43,719
away from any sort of detail that might

722
00:28:49,069 --> 00:28:46,419
cast some sort of doubt about their

723
00:28:51,689 --> 00:28:49,079
sanity about their powers of observation

724
00:28:54,509 --> 00:28:51,699
you know it's it's that whole kind of

725
00:28:56,759 --> 00:28:54,519
inexplicable 'ti that permeates all

726
00:29:00,089 --> 00:28:56,769
these things so I get short shrift you

727
00:29:03,269 --> 00:29:00,099
don't really get that those details very

728
00:29:05,699 --> 00:29:03,279
often in sighting events I've often said

729
00:29:08,219 --> 00:29:05,709
on the show when talking about this that

730
00:29:10,049 --> 00:29:08,229
back in the San Luis Valley in the 90s

731
00:29:12,629 --> 00:29:10,059
when I was doing all this investigative

732
00:29:14,759 --> 00:29:12,639
work invariably somebody would report

733
00:29:17,009 --> 00:29:14,769
something and then maybe weeks or months

734
00:29:19,409 --> 00:29:17,019
or even even a year two or three later

735
00:29:23,519 --> 00:29:19,419
they would then add a detail that they

736
00:29:26,039 --> 00:29:23,529
had you know decided not to divulge in

737
00:29:27,930 --> 00:29:26,049
the initial report and it was only after

738
00:29:29,819 --> 00:29:27,940
they became comfortable with you know

739
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:29,829
the relationship with me or trusted me

740
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or felt secure and

741
00:29:37,570 --> 00:29:35,720
to actually say you know remember when I

742
00:29:39,100 --> 00:29:37,580
had that you know such and such happened

743
00:29:43,180 --> 00:29:39,110
to me and I didn't tell you at the time

744
00:29:45,250 --> 00:29:43,190
but and then boom out comes this little

745
00:29:47,350 --> 00:29:45,260
perplexing detail that you know if I

746
00:29:49,330 --> 00:29:47,360
heard it initially I probably would have

747
00:29:51,910 --> 00:29:49,340
liked they were worried I probably would

748
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:51,920
have questioned their sanity so I really

749
00:29:56,500 --> 00:29:54,890
feel it's it's a very under no it's just

750
00:29:58,900 --> 00:29:56,510
it's it's an area that's just it's just

751
00:30:00,910 --> 00:29:58,910
not under the radar you you don't have

752
00:30:03,700 --> 00:30:00,920
very many people that that are really

753
00:30:05,620 --> 00:30:03,710
that concerned with trying to you know

754
00:30:07,660 --> 00:30:05,630
shine the light on these peculiar

755
00:30:09,610 --> 00:30:07,670
details and tricks rich in nature I

756
00:30:11,860 --> 00:30:09,620
think people shy away from them because

757
00:30:14,290 --> 00:30:11,870
they they want the legitimacy and the

758
00:30:17,170 --> 00:30:14,300
respect of people that are following

759
00:30:19,060 --> 00:30:17,180
their work or where the witnesses want

760
00:30:21,250 --> 00:30:19,070
to be believed and they don't want to

761
00:30:24,070 --> 00:30:21,260
come up with a detail that would you

762
00:30:27,070 --> 00:30:24,080
know throw the whole thing into question

763
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:27,080
so it's it's self nullifying which is

764
00:30:32,170 --> 00:30:29,450
part of the the definition of the

765
00:30:34,630 --> 00:30:32,180
trickster you know in a classical sort

766
00:30:37,900 --> 00:30:34,640
of definitive sense so I'm not really

767
00:30:40,150 --> 00:30:37,910
sure if that helps any but I've always

768
00:30:41,890 --> 00:30:40,160
found that this is this is an area that

769
00:30:43,540 --> 00:30:41,900
really has not gotten the the quality

770
00:30:45,910 --> 00:30:43,550
attention that I think it deserves

771
00:30:47,860 --> 00:30:45,920
look let me run this one by you case the

772
00:30:51,850 --> 00:30:47,870
Kris Stiles discovered in Nova Scotia in

773
00:30:54,580 --> 00:30:51,860
1976 which is probably my favorite UFO

774
00:30:55,810 --> 00:30:54,590
case it's not really well known anywhere

775
00:30:57,340 --> 00:30:55,820
I've written about it Chris has written

776
00:30:59,770 --> 00:30:57,350
about it you know my blog or whatever

777
00:31:01,870 --> 00:30:59,780
but we both talked about it at the shag

778
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:01,880
Harbor UFO Festival Creek I don't know

779
00:31:05,170 --> 00:31:03,050
how much time is left in this segment

780
00:31:06,970 --> 00:31:05,180
but quick lowdown this so there's a

781
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:06,980
family there in a house in Lower

782
00:31:11,890 --> 00:31:08,690
Sackville which is a bedroom community

783
00:31:14,950 --> 00:31:11,900
outside of Halifax 1976 they call the

784
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:14,960
RCMP and they say look there's a UFO

785
00:31:19,300 --> 00:31:17,450
above our house the RCMP officer a

786
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:19,310
having nothing better to do that night

787
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:21,530
but also generally the RCMP will

788
00:31:26,350 --> 00:31:24,050
investigate calls like that drives out

789
00:31:28,450 --> 00:31:26,360
to the house walks out of his car goes

790
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:28,460
up stands on the back patio for two

791
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:30,770
hours and watches this UFO with them and

792
00:31:36,430 --> 00:31:33,770
it's you know lights in the sky he calls

793
00:31:38,950 --> 00:31:36,440
all of the airports and military and

794
00:31:40,780 --> 00:31:38,960
civilian and there's a report the RCMP

795
00:31:42,310 --> 00:31:40,790
you know they always write reports about

796
00:31:45,550 --> 00:31:42,320
these things I know I used to work with

797
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:45,560
them and so this Chris found this report

798
00:31:47,500 --> 00:31:46,010
and here

799
00:31:49,570 --> 00:31:47,510
he describes everything and he says look

800
00:31:51,430 --> 00:31:49,580
I sat there for two hours you know the

801
00:31:54,790 --> 00:31:51,440
thing moved but there were no there was

802
00:31:56,830 --> 00:31:54,800
no sound no sound at all and none of the

803
00:31:59,440 --> 00:31:56,840
airport's had it on radar you know etc

804
00:32:01,810 --> 00:31:59,450
etc etc wasn't an astronomical

805
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:01,820
phenomenon wasn't a planet ruled all

806
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:04,130
that stuff out said yeah well what is it

807
00:32:10,030 --> 00:32:05,690
well shrug your shoulders and go I don't

808
00:32:12,460 --> 00:32:10,040
know so he goes next door and the

809
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:12,470
neighbors do not get along with the

810
00:32:16,450 --> 00:32:15,170
people that he made the UFO report and

811
00:32:17,710 --> 00:32:16,460
Chris sort of followed up with the

812
00:32:20,950 --> 00:32:17,720
neighbors years later because he found

813
00:32:22,450 --> 00:32:20,960
their name and police report and so the

814
00:32:26,380 --> 00:32:22,460
neighbors and I'm kind of giving this a

815
00:32:29,110 --> 00:32:26,390
real short shrift say hey know that we

816
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:29,120
didn't see in a UFO we were too busy

817
00:32:34,390 --> 00:32:31,250
hiding under our bed why were you hiding

818
00:32:36,580 --> 00:32:34,400
under a bed your bed because there was

819
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:36,590
this sound like a train was being driven

820
00:32:43,330 --> 00:32:39,290
through our house scared the bejesus out

821
00:32:44,980 --> 00:32:43,340
of us and you know we were really

822
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:44,990
frightened for our lives and it shook

823
00:32:49,660 --> 00:32:46,850
everything and all that sort of stuff so

824
00:32:51,610 --> 00:32:49,670
here are two families living next to

825
00:32:53,770 --> 00:32:51,620
each other they don't like each other

826
00:32:56,050 --> 00:32:53,780
there one was a naval architect I can't

827
00:32:57,550 --> 00:32:56,060
remember what the husband for the other

828
00:32:59,260 --> 00:32:57,560
family was but these were educated

829
00:33:02,140 --> 00:32:59,270
people too not crazy or anything like

830
00:33:05,350 --> 00:33:02,150
that living in suburban Nova Scotia they

831
00:33:07,300 --> 00:33:05,360
at the same time report different

832
00:33:09,460 --> 00:33:07,310
incidents but the same incident if you

833
00:33:11,050 --> 00:33:09,470
know what I mean they observe or hear

834
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:11,060
something they experience something in

835
00:33:16,090 --> 00:33:14,090
completely different ways ways that that

836
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:16,100
seemed to nullify what the other people

837
00:33:19,630 --> 00:33:17,570
like we didn't see anything but we heard

838
00:33:21,670 --> 00:33:19,640
something the other folks say we didn't

839
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:21,680
hear anything but we saw something and

840
00:33:25,300 --> 00:33:23,450
the folks that were hiding under their

841
00:33:27,370 --> 00:33:25,310
bed as soon as the police officer

842
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:27,380
knocked on the door the sound stopped

843
00:33:30,580 --> 00:33:28,970
well what do you do with a case like

844
00:33:33,490 --> 00:33:30,590
that that is the epitome of a high

845
00:33:35,710 --> 00:33:33,500
strangeness Jacmel a case so Chris told

846
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:35,720
that story at shag harbour and he beat

847
00:33:38,710 --> 00:33:36,890
me to it because he had the first

848
00:33:40,660 --> 00:33:38,720
speaking slot and I was on two days

849
00:33:42,070 --> 00:33:40,670
later and I said look when I'm going I

850
00:33:44,590 --> 00:33:42,080
was talking about various theories that

851
00:33:46,870 --> 00:33:44,600
are not space aliens but it's not to say

852
00:33:48,130 --> 00:33:46,880
that I discount space aliens I just said

853
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:48,140
everyone else has been talking about

854
00:33:51,100 --> 00:33:49,610
that this weekend so you guys have got

855
00:33:54,010 --> 00:33:51,110
that I'm gonna give you all the other

856
00:33:56,500 --> 00:33:54,020
ideas but I said what do you do with

857
00:33:58,300 --> 00:33:56,510
this this is the kind of UFO case that

858
00:33:59,299 --> 00:33:58,310
does still interest me because it

859
00:34:01,940 --> 00:33:59,309
resembles in many

860
00:34:02,810 --> 00:34:01,950
respects ghosts cases or hauntings and

861
00:34:05,509 --> 00:34:02,820
that kind of stuff

862
00:34:08,300 --> 00:34:05,519
because it's really weird and honestly I

863
00:34:10,550 --> 00:34:08,310
think anything along these lines should

864
00:34:12,349 --> 00:34:10,560
be really weird just by its very nature

865
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:12,359
it stands to reason we're dealing with

866
00:34:15,919 --> 00:34:14,010
something that's not human if that's the

867
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:15,929
case wherever it's from then it

868
00:34:20,119 --> 00:34:17,490
shouldn't be presenting itself to us

869
00:34:21,710 --> 00:34:20,129
like it's out of a sitcom from the 1950s

870
00:34:24,859 --> 00:34:21,720
there should be an element of weirdness

871
00:34:27,109 --> 00:34:24,869
and ufology or ghost hunters or Bigfoot

872
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:27,119
hunters or whatever shouldn't be afraid

873
00:34:31,099 --> 00:34:29,490
to embrace that weirdness which is the

874
00:34:33,770 --> 00:34:31,109
lesson I've learned over the last 15

875
00:34:35,930 --> 00:34:33,780
years as I've slowly come myself to

876
00:34:37,730 --> 00:34:35,940
embrace the weirdness and say in the

877
00:34:39,859 --> 00:34:37,740
famous words of Steve Winwood I'm gonna

878
00:34:41,270 --> 00:34:39,869
roll with it baby you know the same

879
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:41,280
thing here Paul

880
00:34:45,770 --> 00:34:43,050
and that is our interpretation of it and

881
00:34:49,129 --> 00:34:45,780
so you could wonder here does whatever

882
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:49,139
forces involve control what you see or

883
00:34:54,859 --> 00:34:52,050
are you participating and altering it to

884
00:35:00,230 --> 00:34:54,869
whatever you expect to see or have some

885
00:35:02,569 --> 00:35:00,240
innate desire to see yes sure all of

886
00:35:04,910 --> 00:35:02,579
that is potentially true the interesting

887
00:35:06,260 --> 00:35:04,920
thing is for me do anyone who's

888
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:06,270
listening if you're still listening if I

889
00:35:10,609 --> 00:35:08,130
sand it a little down for the first 20

890
00:35:14,030 --> 00:35:10,619
minutes of the show when the UFO stuff

891
00:35:16,099 --> 00:35:14,040
comes up I just I kind of laugh but you

892
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:16,109
know what UFOs are still cool once I

893
00:35:19,309 --> 00:35:17,490
start talking about the weird stuff like

894
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:19,319
the Lower Sackville case then it all

895
00:35:23,660 --> 00:35:21,810
becomes interrelated to me which is not

896
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:23,670
somewhere I would have thought I'd be 15

897
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:25,290
or 20 years ago when I first started

898
00:35:28,700 --> 00:35:27,450
making films about it and talking to

899
00:35:29,569 --> 00:35:28,710
people and researching and I was very

900
00:35:31,309 --> 00:35:29,579
by-the-book

901
00:35:34,819 --> 00:35:31,319
you know nuts and bolts kind of thing

902
00:35:37,010 --> 00:35:34,829
and now I've come to embrace more the

903
00:35:38,750 --> 00:35:37,020
stories of SE the contactees whatever

904
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:38,760
they mean experiences as they call it

905
00:35:43,099 --> 00:35:41,010
because I'm an experiencer you know when

906
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:43,109
you go ghost hunting in quotation marks

907
00:35:47,809 --> 00:35:45,450
are investigating I call it like you're

908
00:35:50,059 --> 00:35:47,819
in a multiplex you can't see a movie

909
00:35:51,740 --> 00:35:50,069
unless you buy a ticket and if we all

910
00:35:53,510 --> 00:35:51,750
walk into the multiplex but we want to

911
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:53,520
see different movies you might see the

912
00:35:57,500 --> 00:35:55,170
new Star Wars movie Chris I might see a

913
00:35:59,660 --> 00:35:57,510
new Woody Allen movie and gene might see

914
00:36:01,220 --> 00:35:59,670
you know something up my little pony to

915
00:36:02,690 --> 00:36:01,230
whatever you know we're all gonna see

916
00:36:04,579 --> 00:36:02,700
different things we're gonna experience

917
00:36:07,370 --> 00:36:04,589
a different story but we're all in the

918
00:36:08,839 --> 00:36:07,380
same place at the same time and we're

919
00:36:11,059 --> 00:36:08,849
experiencing different things to me

920
00:36:12,380 --> 00:36:11,069
that's what the the paranormal is the

921
00:36:14,569 --> 00:36:12,390
UFO phenomenon

922
00:36:15,799 --> 00:36:14,579
ghost thing all of that the cases that

923
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:15,809
really interest me like the Lower

924
00:36:19,519 --> 00:36:17,490
Sackville case are the ones where people

925
00:36:20,990 --> 00:36:19,529
are seeing different movies even though

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00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:21,000
they're in the exact same theater at the

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exact same time and they wouldn't be

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seeing anything if they didn't buy a

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ticket so you kind of have to I think

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opened yourself up to it too which is

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what I've done by walking into these

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allegedly haunted houses or putting

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myself out there

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I just embrace it now and so does Hawley

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we've got more to come with Paul Kimball

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[Music]

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00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:11,010
this is Robert Hastings author of UFOs

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and nukes and you're listening to the

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podcast the gold standard of paranormal

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radio

1039
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now let's kind of bring us up to date

1040
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:27,270
here about haunted and it started as you

1041
00:41:31,130 --> 00:41:29,010
say nine years ago I remember you and

1042
00:41:33,710 --> 00:41:31,140
Holly Stephens appeared on the power

1043
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:33,720
cast we talked about it and I think at

1044
00:41:38,810 --> 00:41:35,130
that time in terms of being a ghost

1045
00:41:41,990 --> 00:41:38,820
hunter you were a neophyte and so is she

1046
00:41:43,430 --> 00:41:42,000
and you're entering this and I want to

1047
00:41:44,900 --> 00:41:43,440
bring people up to date because I

1048
00:41:47,750 --> 00:41:44,910
welcome you to listen to the radio show

1049
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:47,760
nine years ago we're talking about 2008

1050
00:41:53,060 --> 00:41:51,210
but love you to do that but we also want

1051
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to bring everybody up to date pretty

1052
00:41:57,830 --> 00:41:54,930
quickly here so let's talk about this

1053
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Paul how did you and how they get

1054
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involved was it that they were producing

1055
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a show and you were hired for it or did

1056
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you seek it out no I needed a job so I'd

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finished doing a feature film that you

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know nobody will ever see cuz it was

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terrible

1060
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and somebody here in Halifax had an idea

1061
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for a ghost show he had already pitched

1062
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the network the network said sure but

1063
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you're not an experienced producer nor

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are you an experienced director go find

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some of you is to kind of work with you

1066
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and we'll be cool so I knew him we had

1067
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met we never worked together but he

1068
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approached me with and he said look

1069
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you're the only guy I know as an

1070
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interest in the paranormal here in

1071
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Halifax would you be interested and I

1072
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said does it pay and he said yes it does

1073
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and I said sure I'll be looking for a

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job

1075
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absolutely plus you know I also thought

1076
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it would be really interesting you know

1077
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I won't do something just for the money

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so anyway that was it I was gonna direct

1079
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and produce it but I certainly wasn't

1080
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gonna host it we had four real ghost

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investigators I mean what the heck is a

1082
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real ghost investigator for people who

1083
00:42:59,690 --> 00:42:57,720
had been doing this kind of thing you

1084
00:43:01,460 --> 00:42:59,700
know going out for a couple of years so

1085
00:43:04,820 --> 00:43:01,470
there you go they're real and ghost

1086
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:04,830
investigators nice people dull as wood

1087
00:43:10,580 --> 00:43:07,050
and they just didn't understand it's

1088
00:43:13,850 --> 00:43:10,590
television so you can't sit in a room

1089
00:43:15,950 --> 00:43:13,860
with a tape recorder and and talk to a

1090
00:43:18,830 --> 00:43:15,960
ghost and go listen if you're here reach

1091
00:43:21,140 --> 00:43:18,840
out talk to me say something and then be

1092
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:21,150
quiet for eight minutes and nothing

1093
00:43:24,230 --> 00:43:21,810
happens

1094
00:43:25,610 --> 00:43:24,240
so as we shot the pilot I was just

1095
00:43:26,930 --> 00:43:25,620
banging my head against the wall and I

1096
00:43:29,540 --> 00:43:26,940
tried to get them I said look you know

1097
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:29,550
do something interact you know it is

1098
00:43:32,540 --> 00:43:31,170
television you have to understand it's

1099
00:43:34,220 --> 00:43:32,550
television that doesn't mean you have to

1100
00:43:34,819 --> 00:43:34,230
fake anything in fact don't fake

1101
00:43:36,620 --> 00:43:34,829
anything

1102
00:43:38,749 --> 00:43:36,630
and I was also thinking to like if

1103
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:38,759
there's any ghosts here they're not

1104
00:43:42,769 --> 00:43:40,650
going to talk to you guys you're boring

1105
00:43:44,630 --> 00:43:42,779
like I wouldn't want to talk to you you

1106
00:43:46,219 --> 00:43:44,640
guys people but you're boring so I just

1107
00:43:49,189 --> 00:43:46,229
remember walking out it was it was a

1108
00:43:50,630 --> 00:43:49,199
cold November night the other producer

1109
00:43:53,929 --> 00:43:50,640
Dale Stevens and I walked out and I said

1110
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:53,939
look we gotta fire them they've got

1111
00:43:58,400 --> 00:43:56,729
they've got to go or else this is gonna

1112
00:44:01,400 --> 00:43:58,410
be the dullest television show in the

1113
00:44:02,660 --> 00:44:01,410
history of dull television shows that's

1114
00:44:05,089 --> 00:44:02,670
because they've had a lot of dull

1115
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:05,099
television shows ya know they they were

1116
00:44:08,689 --> 00:44:07,170
just terrible nice people I can't stress

1117
00:44:09,769 --> 00:44:08,699
that enough and they took the ghost

1118
00:44:11,929 --> 00:44:09,779
thing very seriously

1119
00:44:13,519 --> 00:44:11,939
Dale I remember he says we're walkin

1120
00:44:14,689 --> 00:44:13,529
around because they were in communing

1121
00:44:16,789 --> 00:44:14,699
with the spirits and nothing was

1122
00:44:18,679 --> 00:44:16,799
happening we just let the camera run and

1123
00:44:20,870 --> 00:44:18,689
we took a 40 minute walk and nothing

1124
00:44:22,009 --> 00:44:20,880
nothing changed so I you know he said

1125
00:44:23,419 --> 00:44:22,019
well who do you think should host it I

1126
00:44:25,999 --> 00:44:23,429
said I don't know and he said well you

1127
00:44:27,799 --> 00:44:26,009
should host it you're me and you know

1128
00:44:29,359 --> 00:44:27,809
you're telegenic I guess and you're

1129
00:44:30,890 --> 00:44:29,369
outspoken and you're good on camera you

1130
00:44:32,839 --> 00:44:30,900
don't have a problem I said fine but I

1131
00:44:34,489 --> 00:44:32,849
won't do it alone I don't want to host a

1132
00:44:37,039 --> 00:44:34,499
television show alone I need a partner

1133
00:44:39,349 --> 00:44:37,049
and he said fine I said I'd like a

1134
00:44:41,870 --> 00:44:39,359
good-looking partner who's a woman

1135
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:41,880
because that adds a a good-looking

1136
00:44:45,799 --> 00:44:43,890
person to the cast it is television be

1137
00:44:48,709 --> 00:44:45,809
kind of the moonlighting Cybill Shepherd

1138
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:48,719
Bruce Willis or them the Fox Mulder Dana

1139
00:44:52,489 --> 00:44:50,249
Scully you know that kind of dynamic

1140
00:44:54,140 --> 00:44:52,499
that exists and he said well do you know

1141
00:44:55,939 --> 00:44:54,150
anyone and I said sure

1142
00:44:58,009 --> 00:44:55,949
holy students who had I'd known for

1143
00:45:00,019 --> 00:44:58,019
about a year and she worked with me on a

1144
00:45:02,059 --> 00:45:00,029
couple of projects and she had she had a

1145
00:45:04,130 --> 00:45:02,069
science degree so I said look she's she

1146
00:45:06,079 --> 00:45:04,140
can be the Dana Scully and I'll be the

1147
00:45:07,549 --> 00:45:06,089
Fox Mulder cuz I have the paranormal

1148
00:45:10,939 --> 00:45:07,559
background and she has a science degree

1149
00:45:12,410 --> 00:45:10,949
that's as close as we could get so Dale

1150
00:45:13,609 --> 00:45:12,420
said yeah absolutely and I said she's

1151
00:45:14,779 --> 00:45:13,619
comfortable in front of the cameras

1152
00:45:16,939 --> 00:45:14,789
she's engaging she's witty she's

1153
00:45:17,569 --> 00:45:16,949
charming she's super smart these are all

1154
00:45:19,459 --> 00:45:17,579
good things

1155
00:45:21,169 --> 00:45:19,469
I asked Holly and she said sure I don't

1156
00:45:22,489 --> 00:45:21,179
have a gig and it sounds interesting and

1157
00:45:24,890 --> 00:45:22,499
I'm getting paid right

1158
00:45:26,929 --> 00:45:24,900
we said yeah so that's basically how it

1159
00:45:29,269 --> 00:45:26,939
happened and we never set out to be

1160
00:45:31,249 --> 00:45:29,279
ghosts investigators we weren't people

1161
00:45:33,289 --> 00:45:31,259
that said you know this is this drives

1162
00:45:35,929 --> 00:45:33,299
us this has driven us since they're very

1163
00:45:37,939 --> 00:45:35,939
the beginning of our since we were born

1164
00:45:39,739 --> 00:45:37,949
it's in our soul you know we did it

1165
00:45:43,279 --> 00:45:39,749
because it was a gig but it also sounded

1166
00:45:46,219 --> 00:45:43,289
fun and interesting and it was until we

1167
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:46,229
and I mean it still is but fun and

1168
00:45:50,720 --> 00:45:48,570
interesting eventually morphed

1169
00:45:54,770 --> 00:45:50,730
- fun and interesting and scary and

1170
00:45:56,720 --> 00:45:54,780
mind-blowing and challenging and that's

1171
00:45:58,520 --> 00:45:56,730
kind of where we left at nine years ago

1172
00:46:00,980 --> 00:45:58,530
when we finished the one season that we

1173
00:46:03,140 --> 00:46:00,990
did and we decided for whole host of

1174
00:46:05,180 --> 00:46:03,150
reasons some business-related some

1175
00:46:07,070 --> 00:46:05,190
personal related they I don't mean

1176
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:07,080
personal to Holly or I but you know

1177
00:46:11,330 --> 00:46:09,330
generally speaking we just had had

1178
00:46:13,430 --> 00:46:11,340
enough it had been really draining

1179
00:46:15,410 --> 00:46:13,440
experience it had been frightening in

1180
00:46:17,450 --> 00:46:15,420
many respects and I think both of us

1181
00:46:19,460 --> 00:46:17,460
said this you know this is fun

1182
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:19,470
but we don't want to do this again so we

1183
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:21,210
didn't and Holly moved to British

1184
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:22,410
Columbia and I stayed here in Halifax

1185
00:46:27,580 --> 00:46:24,450
and you know we went on with our lives

1186
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:27,590
but you know all things circle back and

1187
00:46:32,030 --> 00:46:29,850
last year I had an opportunity to pitch

1188
00:46:33,830 --> 00:46:32,040
the network about a television show and

1189
00:46:35,780 --> 00:46:33,840
the one I pitched him was haunted I

1190
00:46:37,070 --> 00:46:35,790
could have pitched him on anything but I

1191
00:46:38,900 --> 00:46:37,080
said you know what I want to go back to

1192
00:46:39,110 --> 00:46:38,910
the ghost thing I'm ready I'm good with

1193
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:39,120
that

1194
00:46:43,790 --> 00:46:42,210
and I want Holly to come do it too so we

1195
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:43,800
flew her out from Vancouver she moved

1196
00:46:47,570 --> 00:46:45,930
back here with her boyfriend and she and

1197
00:46:49,730 --> 00:46:47,580
I are back on the ghost investigating

1198
00:46:52,850 --> 00:46:49,740
beat again and it's even weirder this

1199
00:46:54,590 --> 00:46:52,860
time than it was last time all right I

1200
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:54,600
want to get into that because there's a

1201
00:46:59,120 --> 00:46:56,610
perception when it comes to reality TV

1202
00:47:02,120 --> 00:46:59,130
shows but everything is telegraphed and

1203
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:02,130
that sometimes they stretch a few facts

1204
00:47:05,990 --> 00:47:03,690
and we know of examples where they've

1205
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:06,000
done that or they might take someone

1206
00:47:09,980 --> 00:47:07,650
they interview and he's talking about

1207
00:47:11,570 --> 00:47:09,990
the mysterious valley and suddenly it

1208
00:47:13,550 --> 00:47:11,580
ends up that the authentic happened in

1209
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:13,560
Sedona I know there are some people like

1210
00:47:20,720 --> 00:47:16,050
that who had that experience Chris and

1211
00:47:22,910 --> 00:47:20,730
so we don't want that kind of thing we

1212
00:47:25,460 --> 00:47:22,920
want entertainment but we want something

1213
00:47:27,350 --> 00:47:25,470
it's factually based how do you meet

1214
00:47:29,330 --> 00:47:27,360
these two extremes to be entertaining

1215
00:47:32,630 --> 00:47:29,340
and stick to the facts

1216
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:32,640
pretty simple take the subject matter

1217
00:47:36,110 --> 00:47:33,930
seriously but never take yourself

1218
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:36,120
seriously and I don't I don't take

1219
00:47:40,460 --> 00:47:37,650
myself seriously and I don't think Holly

1220
00:47:43,370 --> 00:47:40,470
does really I actually kind of liked the

1221
00:47:46,190 --> 00:47:43,380
show ghost adventures with zak bagans I

1222
00:47:48,890 --> 00:47:46,200
mean anybody who thinks that zak bagans

1223
00:47:50,870 --> 00:47:48,900
is you know a real demonologist or

1224
00:47:53,090 --> 00:47:50,880
whatever you know whatever that is or

1225
00:47:55,130 --> 00:47:53,100
takes that show terribly seriously

1226
00:47:57,200 --> 00:47:55,140
should have their head examined

1227
00:47:59,330 --> 00:47:57,210
and I run into young professional ghost

1228
00:48:00,770 --> 00:47:59,340
hunters who sometimes they're not big

1229
00:48:02,180 --> 00:48:00,780
fans of Holly and I and they say you're

1230
00:48:05,060 --> 00:48:02,190
not professional ghost hunter

1231
00:48:07,010 --> 00:48:05,070
and go no but you don't have to be the

1232
00:48:09,470 --> 00:48:07,020
whole point of haunted houses and

1233
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:09,480
hauntings and ghosts stories is anybody

1234
00:48:14,510 --> 00:48:12,210
can go out there and buy the ticket to

1235
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:14,520
that movie theater I'm talking about the

1236
00:48:18,110 --> 00:48:16,530
difference is with television if you're

1237
00:48:20,210 --> 00:48:18,120
gonna put people on television they kind

1238
00:48:21,380 --> 00:48:20,220
of have to be interesting people too now

1239
00:48:23,930 --> 00:48:21,390
I don't know if I'm an interesting

1240
00:48:26,660 --> 00:48:23,940
person but I'm I know Holly is and you

1241
00:48:27,740 --> 00:48:26,670
know I can play one on television so do

1242
00:48:31,370 --> 00:48:27,750
we ever fake anything

1243
00:48:33,140 --> 00:48:31,380
no I'm adamant about that if nothing

1244
00:48:34,970 --> 00:48:33,150
else my years of skepticism and

1245
00:48:37,550 --> 00:48:34,980
criticizing everybody in their dog for

1246
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:37,560
faking Stauffer you know being woowoo or

1247
00:48:41,570 --> 00:48:39,450
whatever has bought me the credibility

1248
00:48:43,940 --> 00:48:41,580
I've earned the right to say yeah take

1249
00:48:46,310 --> 00:48:43,950
my word for it I'm not faking this if I

1250
00:48:48,740 --> 00:48:46,320
say this happened it happened if I say I

1251
00:48:50,030 --> 00:48:48,750
was genuinely scared it's you know I it

1252
00:48:51,620 --> 00:48:50,040
took me a while to get to a place where

1253
00:48:54,380 --> 00:48:51,630
I was willing to admit that kind of

1254
00:48:57,020 --> 00:48:54,390
stuff but there is a balance because you

1255
00:48:59,510 --> 00:48:57,030
know you can't show us sitting ghosts

1256
00:49:00,980 --> 00:48:59,520
investigating is dull sometimes you'll

1257
00:49:02,780 --> 00:49:00,990
sit around for an hour or two hours or

1258
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:02,790
three hours and nothing happens there's

1259
00:49:07,580 --> 00:49:05,970
locations we go to we don't use not many

1260
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:07,590
actually only one this time

1261
00:49:11,420 --> 00:49:09,090
but with ghost cases there were two or

1262
00:49:13,190 --> 00:49:11,430
three where nothing happened okay so I'm

1263
00:49:14,690 --> 00:49:13,200
not gonna put that on television you're

1264
00:49:15,950 --> 00:49:14,700
gonna see the places where something

1265
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:15,960
happened because something doesn't

1266
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:18,210
always happen we never make it well okay

1267
00:49:22,070 --> 00:49:19,650
that's not true we do sometimes make it

1268
00:49:23,690 --> 00:49:22,080
happen I think because we start trying

1269
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:23,700
to interact with whatever's out there

1270
00:49:28,130 --> 00:49:25,530
and if there's something out there it

1271
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:28,140
says okay you guys are jerks

1272
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:30,090
we're gonna give you your comeuppance or

1273
00:49:34,850 --> 00:49:32,370
you guys are we like you in Holly's case

1274
00:49:37,010 --> 00:49:34,860
we'd like to communicate with you you

1275
00:49:39,260 --> 00:49:37,020
know we get evidence and I I think we

1276
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:39,270
have real evidence this time which we

1277
00:49:43,610 --> 00:49:41,610
can talk about as we go along tonight

1278
00:49:45,380 --> 00:49:43,620
and Greg Bishop has heard it like I've

1279
00:49:47,720 --> 00:49:45,390
played it for Greg and he just went okay

1280
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:47,730
I'm not a ghost guy but I can't explain

1281
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:49,890
that like I don't know what that is and

1282
00:49:53,030 --> 00:49:51,570
you know you tie it in with what was

1283
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:53,040
happening to Holly at the same time and

1284
00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:55,170
and more and more of this stuff piling

1285
00:49:59,180 --> 00:49:56,970
up for us and that's the kind of stuff

1286
00:50:01,460 --> 00:49:59,190
that makes my skeptical side go yeah

1287
00:50:03,650 --> 00:50:01,470
okay my skepticism is being whittled

1288
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:03,660
away here because things are happening

1289
00:50:07,220 --> 00:50:05,370
I'm experiencing stuff Hall is

1290
00:50:09,620 --> 00:50:07,230
experiencing stuff and in some cases

1291
00:50:13,430 --> 00:50:09,630
we're actually recording it on camera or

1292
00:50:14,660 --> 00:50:13,440
on audio or wherever and so yeah that's

1293
00:50:15,610 --> 00:50:14,670
what people are going to see on

1294
00:50:17,350 --> 00:50:15,620
television

1295
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:17,360
they're not gonna see the other eight

1296
00:50:21,460 --> 00:50:19,010
hours where we're sitting there and

1297
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:21,470
nothing happens that's that's just not

1298
00:50:24,070 --> 00:50:22,850
going to happen so that's the balance

1299
00:50:26,860 --> 00:50:24,080
you have to strike between doing a

1300
00:50:28,930 --> 00:50:26,870
reality television show and trying to be

1301
00:50:31,900 --> 00:50:28,940
real while at the same time you have to

1302
00:50:35,140 --> 00:50:31,910
be entertaining too that's true actually

1303
00:50:37,300 --> 00:50:35,150
about real news as opposed to reality

1304
00:50:39,700 --> 00:50:37,310
show news and that is you're not gonna

1305
00:50:40,900 --> 00:50:39,710
see the stuff they've covered all day

1306
00:50:41,980 --> 00:50:40,910
where nothing happens there they're

1307
00:50:43,270 --> 00:50:41,990
preparing for something you're only

1308
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:43,280
going to see the press conference and

1309
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:44,810
maybe not the complete press conference

1310
00:50:48,490 --> 00:50:47,090
the press conference where the subject

1311
00:50:50,380 --> 00:50:48,500
of the press conference says something

1312
00:50:52,630 --> 00:50:50,390
provocative there's going to be picking

1313
00:50:55,210 --> 00:50:52,640
and choosing and the news is going to

1314
00:50:57,490 --> 00:50:55,220
concentrate on the core events that will

1315
00:50:59,380 --> 00:50:57,500
be interesting to readers listeners or

1316
00:51:01,330 --> 00:50:59,390
viewers it's not going to be everything

1317
00:51:03,700 --> 00:51:01,340
else that's dull and ordinary because

1318
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:03,710
it's news and news has to be something

1319
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:04,850
different has to be something

1320
00:51:11,380 --> 00:51:07,970
exceptional so what Paul is saying is

1321
00:51:14,890 --> 00:51:11,390
something very akin to real journalism

1322
00:51:17,010 --> 00:51:14,900
and before we split for a little bit of

1323
00:51:20,470 --> 00:51:17,020
business let me bring you up to date on

1324
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:20,480
this weekend's episode of after the

1325
00:51:26,410 --> 00:51:24,050
power cast because Paul Kimble will be

1326
00:51:28,240 --> 00:51:26,420
back and he's got some real provocative

1327
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:28,250
things to say Paul Campbell Jean

1328
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:30,410
Steinberg Chris O'Brien you're in the

1329
00:51:47,240 --> 00:51:43,410
thank you for listening to GCN

1330
00:51:49,710 --> 00:51:47,250
be sure to visit GCN live.com today

1331
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:49,720
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1332
00:51:53,460 --> 00:51:51,490
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1333
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1334
00:51:58,589 --> 00:51:56,260
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1335
00:52:00,839 --> 00:51:58,599
intelligence officer is haunted by

1336
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:00,849
intense dreams about a beautiful woman

1337
00:52:06,240 --> 00:52:03,490
pleading for his help after a terrible

1338
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:06,250
battle in outer space but the dreams

1339
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:08,290
turned out to be true and thrust him

1340
00:52:13,049 --> 00:52:09,970
into a telepathic love affair with a

1341
00:52:15,390 --> 00:52:13,059
woman whose faraway planet is intent on

1342
00:52:18,240 --> 00:52:15,400
destroying the earth and now the

1343
00:52:20,670 --> 00:52:18,250
gripping tale continues in the coming of

1344
00:52:23,309 --> 00:52:20,680
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1380
00:54:03,530 --> 00:53:59,220
welcome back to the para cast the gold

1381
00:54:13,140 --> 00:54:03,540
standard of paranormal radio and now

1382
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:13,150
here's Jane Steinberg so let's get to

1383
00:54:16,770 --> 00:54:14,530
the beginning as we talk about the

1384
00:54:19,319 --> 00:54:16,780
events here and we could dovetail to the

1385
00:54:22,710 --> 00:54:19,329
original show into this one how did you

1386
00:54:24,650 --> 00:54:22,720
in Halle pick out places where something

1387
00:54:27,180 --> 00:54:24,660
is likely to happen because of a history

1388
00:54:29,849 --> 00:54:27,190
sure yeah there's a you have a listener

1389
00:54:33,510 --> 00:54:29,859
in the forum Henry Newton sorry Harry

1390
00:54:35,310 --> 00:54:33,520
Newton goes by the tag Han or Han and he

1391
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:35,320
asks and the question thread hello are

1392
00:54:39,510 --> 00:54:36,970
there any local to Halifax Nova Scotia

1393
00:54:41,190 --> 00:54:39,520
waters see related ghosts go ships

1394
00:54:43,710 --> 00:54:41,200
ghosts spirits ghosts animals whatever

1395
00:54:47,010 --> 00:54:43,720
and the short answer is yes yes yes

1396
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:47,020
there is no problem finding haunted

1397
00:54:51,569 --> 00:54:50,050
houses in Nova Scotia or you know the

1398
00:54:53,069 --> 00:54:51,579
Atlantic and Canadian provinces it's

1399
00:54:55,109 --> 00:54:53,079
like New England there's a reason

1400
00:54:56,609 --> 00:54:55,119
Stephen King sets all this novels you

1401
00:54:58,859 --> 00:54:56,619
know in New England because there is a

1402
00:55:01,260 --> 00:54:58,869
rich history of this kind of stuff in

1403
00:55:03,720 --> 00:55:01,270
our region we don't have a problem like

1404
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:03,730
we turn locations away and we've got it

1405
00:55:09,270 --> 00:55:05,050
we've been renewed for a second season

1406
00:55:10,859 --> 00:55:09,280
and a third season so we've got and

1407
00:55:13,349 --> 00:55:10,869
that's gonna be what is that 14

1408
00:55:15,450 --> 00:55:13,359
locations right so we've already got

1409
00:55:16,980 --> 00:55:15,460
those locations more or less planned out

1410
00:55:19,260 --> 00:55:16,990
in our mind where we want to go and

1411
00:55:20,730 --> 00:55:19,270
we're always willing to have folks say

1412
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:20,740
hey you know my house is haunted or

1413
00:55:23,609 --> 00:55:22,210
whatever would you come here but there's

1414
00:55:25,890 --> 00:55:23,619
no question you know you get to pick and

1415
00:55:27,599 --> 00:55:25,900
choose it's great right I get to pick

1416
00:55:29,460 --> 00:55:27,609
and choose between the best locations

1417
00:55:31,020 --> 00:55:29,470
and the ones that I think are gonna be

1418
00:55:33,180 --> 00:55:31,030
the most interesting for television but

1419
00:55:35,579 --> 00:55:33,190
also the ones that maybe have a story

1420
00:55:38,069 --> 00:55:35,589
that I connect to or Holly connects to

1421
00:55:39,420 --> 00:55:38,079
and we find it personally interesting so

1422
00:55:42,510 --> 00:55:39,430
you will always want to go to a place

1423
00:55:45,990 --> 00:55:42,520
that has a good story some history tied

1424
00:55:47,609 --> 00:55:46,000
to it and that you maybe somehow connect

1425
00:55:50,010 --> 00:55:47,619
to and so those are the kind of

1426
00:55:51,329 --> 00:55:50,020
locations that we search out because

1427
00:55:53,670 --> 00:55:51,339
we're the ones that are gonna have to go

1428
00:55:55,500 --> 00:55:53,680
in there and actually go on camera and

1429
00:55:58,230 --> 00:55:55,510
experience this and go through it so

1430
00:56:00,210 --> 00:55:58,240
like we did one seminary house which is

1431
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:00,220
a university residence at Acadia

1432
00:56:04,829 --> 00:56:02,650
University here both Holly and I went to

1433
00:56:07,109 --> 00:56:04,839
Acadia University I went there a lot I

1434
00:56:08,430 --> 00:56:07,119
went there sixteen years before she did

1435
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:08,440
but she acts

1436
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:10,570
we lived in seminary house and I dated a

1437
00:56:15,330 --> 00:56:13,450
girl that lived in seminary house so it

1438
00:56:17,250 --> 00:56:15,340
turned out we were both more than happy

1439
00:56:19,230 --> 00:56:17,260
to go back to Acadia and we lived some

1440
00:56:21,150 --> 00:56:19,240
you know fond memories but also we were

1441
00:56:23,790 --> 00:56:21,160
familiar with seminary house and so it

1442
00:56:26,820 --> 00:56:23,800
was personal to us turns out not to give

1443
00:56:30,450 --> 00:56:26,830
away a spoiler but Holly never knew she

1444
00:56:33,210 --> 00:56:30,460
had actually lived in the haunted room

1445
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:33,220
in seminary house and she didn't know

1446
00:56:35,910 --> 00:56:34,810
that when she was a student but when

1447
00:56:37,650 --> 00:56:35,920
they walked us through and said oh yes

1448
00:56:40,890 --> 00:56:37,660
this is the and Holly went that's my old

1449
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:40,900
room so those are fun kind of little

1450
00:56:45,420 --> 00:56:43,090
things that happen that you don't really

1451
00:56:47,220 --> 00:56:45,430
realize until you go back so that's kind

1452
00:56:49,050 --> 00:56:47,230
of how we picked the locations and know

1453
00:56:51,330 --> 00:56:49,060
it's places that we're familiar with or

1454
00:56:53,100 --> 00:56:51,340
interested or going to or in one or two

1455
00:56:55,740 --> 00:56:53,110
cases places that just frankly seemed

1456
00:56:58,410 --> 00:56:55,750
really creepy there's an old jail in

1457
00:57:00,450 --> 00:56:58,420
Yarmouth Nova Scotia that I swear has to

1458
00:57:02,490 --> 00:57:00,460
be an environmental hazard it's long

1459
00:57:05,220 --> 00:57:02,500
abandoned there was no heat no lights no

1460
00:57:06,570 --> 00:57:05,230
electricity no running water so we did

1461
00:57:08,460 --> 00:57:06,580
everything on batteries and then we had

1462
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:08,470
to go down the road to use the bathroom

1463
00:57:11,850 --> 00:57:09,970
at the local Tim Hortons every time we

1464
00:57:14,130 --> 00:57:11,860
want to do that but you know what that

1465
00:57:15,390 --> 00:57:14,140
that was a really fun place it might

1466
00:57:17,340 --> 00:57:15,400
have shortened our lives I don't know

1467
00:57:19,110 --> 00:57:17,350
what we were breathing in but it was

1468
00:57:20,970 --> 00:57:19,120
just really creepy and cool and

1469
00:57:23,820 --> 00:57:20,980
sometimes really creepy and cool that's

1470
00:57:25,350 --> 00:57:23,830
interesting too I was just noticing

1471
00:57:28,740 --> 00:57:25,360
looking at this I didn't realize this

1472
00:57:32,250 --> 00:57:28,750
before when you go on with Holly she is

1473
00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:32,260
a giant she's like an Amazon she's

1474
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:33,730
taller than the woman who played Wonder

1475
00:57:39,030 --> 00:57:35,530
Woman she's like 511 or something like

1476
00:57:41,220 --> 00:57:39,040
that yeah she's taller than me and she

1477
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:41,230
could kill all of us look she's in good

1478
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:43,330
shape she just got back about a month

1479
00:57:47,910 --> 00:57:45,850
ago from hiking the Inca Trail so she's

1480
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:47,920
a lot better shape than I am so we you

1481
00:57:52,230 --> 00:57:49,810
know we try and give her all the more

1482
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:52,240
physically challenging segments in the

1483
00:57:56,730 --> 00:57:54,610
show cuz I'm old you know I just turned

1484
00:57:59,160 --> 00:57:56,740
50 this year so I'm not as spry as I

1485
00:58:00,990 --> 00:57:59,170
used to be nine years ago oh yeah yeah

1486
00:58:02,820 --> 00:58:01,000
Holly's always in good shape there's no

1487
00:58:06,140 --> 00:58:02,830
question about that so this way she's

1488
00:58:09,150 --> 00:58:06,150
the one who can fight the ghosts now

1489
00:58:12,300 --> 00:58:09,160
before we get to case histories roughly

1490
00:58:14,310 --> 00:58:12,310
speaking you scope out a location what

1491
00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:14,320
are the chances that during the course

1492
00:58:17,850 --> 00:58:15,610
of your filming something's going to

1493
00:58:19,830 --> 00:58:17,860
happen at that location pretty good

1494
00:58:21,809 --> 00:58:19,840
because something always seems to happen

1495
00:58:23,670 --> 00:58:21,819
because

1496
00:58:25,049 --> 00:58:23,680
you know maybe Chris can chime in here

1497
00:58:27,719 --> 00:58:25,059
because again it you know it circles

1498
00:58:31,259 --> 00:58:27,729
back to the trickster idea I actually am

1499
00:58:34,799 --> 00:58:31,269
not convinced that the location is all

1500
00:58:37,469 --> 00:58:34,809
that important sometimes maybe this but

1501
00:58:39,420 --> 00:58:37,479
I tried to do this season to do haunted

1502
00:58:41,339 --> 00:58:39,430
differently ghost cases were was very

1503
00:58:43,380 --> 00:58:41,349
much in the sort of line of all other

1504
00:58:45,420 --> 00:58:43,390
ghost shows location by location by

1505
00:58:48,209 --> 00:58:45,430
location you come in you do your thing

1506
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:48,219
you pack up you leave show over I wanted

1507
00:58:52,170 --> 00:58:50,170
to do it more like a like a dramatic

1508
00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:52,180
series now that we're faking anything or

1509
00:58:54,689 --> 00:58:54,130
making stuff up so that there would be a

1510
00:58:56,729 --> 00:58:54,699
through-line

1511
00:58:59,549 --> 00:58:56,739
I wanted to delve into the characters

1512
00:59:01,439 --> 00:58:59,559
two arcs which we are to our experiences

1513
00:59:03,239 --> 00:59:01,449
and I wanted to carry that because it

1514
00:59:05,309 --> 00:59:03,249
did for ghost cases you know Holly and I

1515
00:59:05,789 --> 00:59:05,319
carried stuff with us from episode to

1516
00:59:07,289 --> 00:59:05,799
episode

1517
00:59:09,479 --> 00:59:07,299
and the builds we just never talked

1518
00:59:11,910 --> 00:59:09,489
about it well I wanted to do this one

1519
00:59:13,859 --> 00:59:11,920
differently so each episode sometimes

1520
00:59:15,539 --> 00:59:13,869
references previous episodes or things

1521
00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:15,549
that happen and it all leads to a

1522
00:59:20,549 --> 00:59:17,890
cliffhanger episode ending season one

1523
00:59:23,670 --> 00:59:20,559
the 13th episode where something really

1524
00:59:25,380 --> 00:59:23,680
frightening happens and I think what we

1525
00:59:27,479 --> 00:59:25,390
had experienced in multiple locations

1526
00:59:30,359 --> 00:59:27,489
led up to that but the idea that we kind

1527
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:30,369
of had as we went along and did this was

1528
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:32,890
that maybe we weren't experiencing

1529
00:59:37,620 --> 00:59:34,930
individual ghosts at a particular

1530
00:59:39,749 --> 00:59:37,630
location maybe something was travelling

1531
00:59:41,489 --> 00:59:39,759
with us and interacting with us at each

1532
00:59:43,380 --> 00:59:41,499
of these locations sometimes in

1533
00:59:45,719 --> 00:59:43,390
different ways but we started to notice

1534
00:59:48,329 --> 00:59:45,729
some patterns and some commonalities

1535
00:59:51,209 --> 00:59:48,339
between our experiences in in these

1536
00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:51,219
different locations and that was really

1537
00:59:55,529 --> 00:59:53,170
freaky once you start to come to that

1538
00:59:57,390 --> 00:59:55,539
conclusion we would joke to you know

1539
00:59:59,069 --> 00:59:57,400
like there might not be any ghosts here

1540
01:00:01,319 --> 00:59:59,079
when we show up but we're pretty sure

1541
01:00:02,759 --> 01:00:01,329
there will be when we leave and there

1542
01:00:04,170 --> 01:00:02,769
were one or two locations where we said

1543
01:00:05,910 --> 01:00:04,180
we're kind of hoping we leave whatever

1544
01:00:07,499 --> 01:00:05,920
is following us because you know we

1545
01:00:09,839 --> 01:00:07,509
started talking about things like demons

1546
01:00:12,359 --> 01:00:09,849
and bad stuff our poor camera person

1547
01:00:14,009 --> 01:00:12,369
Dylan Garland who is a young protege of

1548
01:00:15,930 --> 01:00:14,019
mine kind of became our third cast

1549
01:00:17,670 --> 01:00:15,940
members the season went along because

1550
01:00:20,430 --> 01:00:17,680
Holly and I kept throwing stuff at him

1551
01:00:23,489 --> 01:00:20,440
you know the saying to ghosts come to

1552
01:00:26,609 --> 01:00:23,499
not possess Holly actually asked a demon

1553
01:00:28,199 --> 01:00:26,619
to come possess me though Holly but you

1554
01:00:30,390 --> 01:00:28,209
know like I was on stage at one location

1555
01:00:33,029 --> 01:00:30,400
a haunted theater and I said you know if

1556
01:00:35,700 --> 01:00:33,039
you're here mrs. Gorham come down here

1557
01:00:38,580 --> 01:00:35,710
bring it on Paul

1558
01:00:40,290 --> 01:00:38,590
to Dylan and then I pointed at him and

1559
01:00:42,540 --> 01:00:40,300
he's standing on stage and you see him

1560
01:00:44,220 --> 01:00:42,550
on one of our closed-circuit TV cameras

1561
01:00:45,870 --> 01:00:44,230
that was monitoring us he just walks

1562
01:00:48,810 --> 01:00:45,880
away he's like that's it I've had it and

1563
01:00:50,250 --> 01:00:48,820
he quit for all of about 18 seconds it

1564
01:00:51,690 --> 01:00:50,260
was like the let it be sessions he was

1565
01:00:53,670 --> 01:00:51,700
like George Harrison he walked out but

1566
01:00:56,250 --> 01:00:53,680
came back and you know I said I take it

1567
01:00:58,500 --> 01:00:56,260
back bring it all on to me he felt this

1568
01:01:01,380 --> 01:00:58,510
Russian cold when I said that to him as

1569
01:01:02,850 --> 01:01:01,390
did I as soon as I took it back onto me

1570
01:01:03,120 --> 01:01:02,860
and said you know what I'm sorry about

1571
01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:03,130
that

1572
01:01:08,820 --> 01:01:06,130
I felt like super cold the temperature

1573
01:01:10,170 --> 01:01:08,830
dropped Holly recorded a bunch of EMF

1574
01:01:12,750 --> 01:01:10,180
spikes which we all see on television

1575
01:01:14,520 --> 01:01:12,760
but nobody else felt anything it was

1576
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:14,530
like I was surrounded by cold but

1577
01:01:17,370 --> 01:01:15,610
everybody else said we don't feel

1578
01:01:19,590 --> 01:01:17,380
anything it's a it's a fairly warm

1579
01:01:21,510 --> 01:01:19,600
theater actually and I said I'm freezing

1580
01:01:24,420 --> 01:01:21,520
and then you know I fled the stage kind

1581
01:01:28,110 --> 01:01:24,430
of thing but that happened over and over

1582
01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:28,120
again and as Dylan in particular who's a

1583
01:01:33,210 --> 01:01:31,210
great kid became more involved not only

1584
01:01:35,490 --> 01:01:33,220
in shooting the show but also in

1585
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:35,500
experiencing some of this stuff you know

1586
01:01:39,780 --> 01:01:37,210
he and I developed a kind of rapport

1587
01:01:41,790 --> 01:01:39,790
that Holly and I used to have when nine

1588
01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:41,800
years ago and we still have but this

1589
01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:43,690
idea that Dylan and I would sometimes

1590
01:01:48,060 --> 01:01:46,450
say let's go do this together even if

1591
01:01:50,010 --> 01:01:48,070
we're not on camera let's just go see

1592
01:01:51,270 --> 01:01:50,020
what's down here and then weird stuff

1593
01:01:53,460 --> 01:01:51,280
would happen and then we'd have to go

1594
01:01:56,910 --> 01:01:53,470
run and get the camera and try and film

1595
01:02:01,020 --> 01:01:56,920
it so you know that that idea that it's

1596
01:02:02,550 --> 01:02:01,030
happening to you because of you maybe

1597
01:02:04,620 --> 01:02:02,560
because you've opened yourself up to it

1598
01:02:06,690 --> 01:02:04,630
and maybe something's traveling with you

1599
01:02:08,310 --> 01:02:06,700
as you go along as opposed to you show

1600
01:02:09,450 --> 01:02:08,320
up at this place and it's the ghost of

1601
01:02:11,430 --> 01:02:09,460
aunt Myrtle and you show up at that

1602
01:02:12,930 --> 01:02:11,440
place it's the ghost of Charles copper

1603
01:02:14,670 --> 01:02:12,940
or former Canadian Prime Minister and

1604
01:02:16,260 --> 01:02:14,680
when you leave Charles Tupper stays

1605
01:02:18,780 --> 01:02:16,270
there and you go on and you find another

1606
01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:18,790
ghost maybe but I actually think we were

1607
01:02:23,910 --> 01:02:22,330
taking things with us which my wife has

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and I'm pretty sure Holly's boyfriend

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too both of them have talked to us and

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said you know stop taking things with

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you or at the very least don't bring

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them home like whatever you to leave

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them at the last location do not bring

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them home in the vernacular they're

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called hitchhikers yeah exactly

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hitchhikers

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I like that all right so this raises the

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question here having started this and

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remember you began this journey nine

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years

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01:02:53,640 --> 01:02:51,760
originally did you ever bring anything

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home ever and we're going to wrap this

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segment in about 20 or 25 seconds so

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just watch how that leads to something

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so I'll ask you the question then we can

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possibly get to it next time in any of

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your pursuits as a ghost hunter or

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Holly's pursuits did you ever at any

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time either of you bring something home

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yeah I think we did hey we'll get a

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break and find out what that is remind

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lyrics of an old novelty song from the

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ha ha forget it

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anyone remember that Nicholas back to

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already forgotten you got us on that one

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there Gino John's a curly no I remember

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exactly yeah Zack early I actually died

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I think like a year or so ago but this

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is right shortly after he became a

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horror film host in the late 50s when

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Universal brought all the horror films

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out and since we're in the Halloween

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01:08:54,530 --> 01:08:51,960
season we get to that all right so you

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01:08:57,170 --> 01:08:54,540
possibly brought some things home Paul

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01:08:59,450 --> 01:08:57,180
Kimball or Holly did can you be specific

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01:09:01,370 --> 01:08:59,460
about what might have happened I don't

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01:09:03,050 --> 01:09:01,380
know if I could be specific in the sense

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01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:03,060
you know I don't here I'm sitting in a

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01:09:06,349 --> 01:09:05,010
dark room down in my office I don't

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01:09:17,540 --> 01:09:06,359
think he goes there's something coming

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01:09:20,240 --> 01:09:17,550
up behind me live haunting folks no I'm

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01:09:23,599 --> 01:09:20,250
pretty sure that's fish that might have

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01:09:27,260 --> 01:09:23,609
been Jean I don't know not even here

1779
01:09:30,470 --> 01:09:27,270
what I think that was Nick Redfern

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01:09:32,330 --> 01:09:30,480
Nick's here after all so that's how he

1781
01:09:35,230 --> 01:09:32,340
sounds with his chest cold

1782
01:09:38,120 --> 01:09:35,240
yeah when you say you bring stuff home

1783
01:09:39,860 --> 01:09:38,130
well what does that mean does it mean

1784
01:09:42,440 --> 01:09:39,870
that as I'm walking down the hall of my

1785
01:09:44,930 --> 01:09:42,450
office which is on the bottom you know I

1786
01:09:46,550 --> 01:09:44,940
live in a two-story house all right have

1787
01:09:48,470 --> 01:09:46,560
a two-story house our company's offices

1788
01:09:50,720 --> 01:09:48,480
are in the bottom story and the wife and

1789
01:09:52,010 --> 01:09:50,730
I live upstairs so does that mean as I'm

1790
01:09:53,240 --> 01:09:52,020
walking down the halls about that the

1791
01:09:56,240 --> 01:09:53,250
upstairs of the downstairs

1792
01:09:59,110 --> 01:09:56,250
I see shadow people jumping out at me or

1793
01:10:02,470 --> 01:09:59,120
I hear sounds and stuff no although

1794
01:10:06,020 --> 01:10:02,480
sometimes maybe it's a feeling that

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01:10:08,550 --> 01:10:06,030
things have changed that you don't view

1796
01:10:10,230 --> 01:10:08,560
the world in the same way

1797
01:10:13,320 --> 01:10:10,240
as you did maybe when you would in it

1798
01:10:16,650 --> 01:10:13,330
and there's no question the last episode

1799
01:10:17,910 --> 01:10:16,660
that we filmed which involved a running

1800
01:10:21,510 --> 01:10:17,920
kind of through line throughout the

1801
01:10:22,920 --> 01:10:21,520
series about demonic kind of stuff which

1802
01:10:24,660 --> 01:10:22,930
could be tricksters you know or

1803
01:10:25,950 --> 01:10:24,670
something presenting itself to us in

1804
01:10:28,560 --> 01:10:25,960
that way I don't know or it could

1805
01:10:31,050 --> 01:10:28,570
actually be real demons yeah you know

1806
01:10:32,910 --> 01:10:31,060
you lie awake at night I think I do

1807
01:10:35,250 --> 01:10:32,920
anyway I can't speak for Holly or Dylan

1808
01:10:36,480 --> 01:10:35,260
or or Chelsea or Jim my brother the

1809
01:10:38,850 --> 01:10:36,490
other two people who were on our crew

1810
01:10:40,320 --> 01:10:38,860
but I the thing you bring home with you

1811
01:10:42,360 --> 01:10:40,330
and it's why we called the city that's

1812
01:10:44,250 --> 01:10:42,370
why I call the series haunted I titled

1813
01:10:46,320 --> 01:10:44,260
it could have called it ghosts cases or

1814
01:10:49,230 --> 01:10:46,330
Ghost Adventures it Ghost Hunters er you

1815
01:10:51,180 --> 01:10:49,240
know a title like that but it to me it

1816
01:10:54,360 --> 01:10:51,190
wasn't about the ghosts it was about us

1817
01:10:56,040 --> 01:10:54,370
and the haunted part isn't referencing

1818
01:10:58,320 --> 01:10:56,050
it was never intended to reference the

1819
01:11:01,640 --> 01:10:58,330
houses or the places the jails wherever

1820
01:11:04,770 --> 01:11:01,650
we are it was us that were haunted and

1821
01:11:06,900 --> 01:11:04,780
haunted by the experiences that we have

1822
01:11:08,820 --> 01:11:06,910
Holly and I going into this we're still

1823
01:11:10,620 --> 01:11:08,830
haunted by what happened to us nine

1824
01:11:12,240 --> 01:11:10,630
years ago I wrote about some of this in

1825
01:11:15,540 --> 01:11:12,250
my book the other side of truth back in

1826
01:11:17,160 --> 01:11:15,550
2012 but Holly and I have talked about

1827
01:11:19,260 --> 01:11:17,170
it I've talked to other friends about it

1828
01:11:21,060 --> 01:11:19,270
I've talked to people around the world

1829
01:11:23,580 --> 01:11:21,070
on radio shows and stuff about it

1830
01:11:25,770 --> 01:11:23,590
including hair some of those experiences

1831
01:11:28,350 --> 01:11:25,780
I wouldn't still be talking about it if

1832
01:11:30,810 --> 01:11:28,360
I hadn't kind of been haunted by it and

1833
01:11:32,580 --> 01:11:30,820
not haunted like oh I'm scared you know

1834
01:11:34,830 --> 01:11:32,590
it's gonna take me to hell or something

1835
01:11:37,920 --> 01:11:34,840
although who knows but haunted because

1836
01:11:39,690 --> 01:11:37,930
it just kind of blows your mind and it

1837
01:11:41,580 --> 01:11:39,700
gets you asking some really serious

1838
01:11:43,530 --> 01:11:41,590
questions about who we are who I am

1839
01:11:46,110 --> 01:11:43,540
what's our place in the universe what's

1840
01:11:48,780 --> 01:11:46,120
it all about and where might we be going

1841
01:11:50,370 --> 01:11:48,790
when it all ends and so that's the kind

1842
01:11:54,030 --> 01:11:50,380
of thing that you bring home with you

1843
01:11:54,750 --> 01:11:54,040
that I'm willing to admit to and say I'm

1844
01:11:58,490 --> 01:11:54,760
okay with that

1845
01:12:01,620 --> 01:11:58,500
now do we bring demons home with us or

1846
01:12:03,600 --> 01:12:01,630
ghosts or that kind of stuff I don't

1847
01:12:07,230 --> 01:12:03,610
know I mean I haven't seen any here in

1848
01:12:10,050 --> 01:12:07,240
the office but I don't rule it out you

1849
01:12:14,700 --> 01:12:10,060
can't rule it out but I would say the

1850
01:12:18,390 --> 01:12:14,710
the odds are pretty long it's something

1851
01:12:20,130 --> 01:12:18,400
very powerful yeah I'm gonna run with

1852
01:12:21,899 --> 01:12:20,140
that I'm taking your word for it Chris I

1853
01:12:23,550 --> 01:12:21,909
feel better now that's

1854
01:12:26,520 --> 01:12:23,560
it's good you're an expert I like it

1855
01:12:28,140 --> 01:12:26,530
because you know sometimes you do sort

1856
01:12:29,580 --> 01:12:28,150
of look at it and you say gut whatever

1857
01:12:32,430 --> 01:12:29,590
that was I hope we're not bringing it

1858
01:12:34,370 --> 01:12:32,440
home with us although I do think we I

1859
01:12:36,750 --> 01:12:34,380
think there's a really good chance we

1860
01:12:39,060 --> 01:12:36,760
radio mysterioso a moment here comes the

1861
01:12:40,530 --> 01:12:39,070
siren I do think there's a really good

1862
01:12:42,959 --> 01:12:40,540
chance that we would take we took it

1863
01:12:44,310 --> 01:12:42,969
from location to location so if you're

1864
01:12:46,110 --> 01:12:44,320
taking it from one location to another

1865
01:12:48,390 --> 01:12:46,120
if it's following you or hitchhiking

1866
01:12:50,070 --> 01:12:48,400
with you as you say or whatever then I

1867
01:12:53,010 --> 01:12:50,080
think it's just as likely that it could

1868
01:12:55,470 --> 01:12:53,020
hitchhike with you home and stick with

1869
01:12:57,240 --> 01:12:55,480
you and then maybe maybe it doesn't

1870
01:12:59,629 --> 01:12:57,250
manifest itself maybe it's just keeping

1871
01:13:02,189 --> 01:12:59,639
an eye on you because at the moment

1872
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using my theater analogy I'm not buying

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a ticket so at the moment I'm editing

1874
01:13:08,340 --> 01:13:06,130
the show her stuff but I'm not actually

1875
01:13:11,040 --> 01:13:08,350
sitting in my office going look I want

1876
01:13:13,140 --> 01:13:11,050
to have an experience or look if you're

1877
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out there like come and talk to me now

1878
01:13:16,950 --> 01:13:15,489
or you know let's let's let's rumble or

1879
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anything like that the kinds of things I

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do in haunted locations at the moment

1881
01:13:26,070 --> 01:13:23,440
I'm just living my life so maybe it only

1882
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manifests itself when you actually say

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okay psychologically mentally Here I am

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I am ready you know bring it on and

1885
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whatever you've got and that's a good

1886
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point and I want to sort of pick up on

1887
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that I did a series of investigations in

1888
01:13:49,379 --> 01:13:46,719
the Midwest in 2500 2006 and after

1889
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coming back from arguably some of the

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most haunted sites in North America we

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found that we didn't really you know we

1892
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never really thought that we had brought

1893
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anything back or you know that that was

1894
01:14:03,060 --> 01:14:01,060
never a topic of conversation we were

1895
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professionals were you know down in the

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basement of this building where our

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studio was located and which used to be

1898
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a bar where there had been a

1899
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catastrophic murder and other things

1900
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that happened in there in the past but

1901
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you know we're we figured we were kind

1902
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of we're just not buying into any

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01:14:28,500 --> 01:14:23,650
potential connection right well we're

1904
01:14:30,120 --> 01:14:28,510
working cleaning up EVPs and I was all

1905
01:14:32,129 --> 01:14:30,130
day we're working on these and we went

1906
01:14:35,370 --> 01:14:32,139
in fairly late into the night and we're

1907
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cleaning up EVPs and

1908
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you know we're doing this professionally

1909
01:14:45,900 --> 01:14:42,640
we're listening to these things without

1910
01:14:47,790 --> 01:14:45,910
really paying too much attention to any

1911
01:14:50,160 --> 01:14:47,800
sort of drama there might be an involved

1912
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or we're just with which we're trying to

1913
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you know manipulate away the noise

1914
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basically as best we can and bring them

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out so that so that there'd be clear

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enough to broadcast so you know we've

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got we've got our you know we've got our

1918
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our headphones and blinders on basically

1919
01:15:12,450 --> 01:15:10,030
working on that and then at one point we

1920
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took a break Ron James and I we took a

1921
01:15:17,760 --> 01:15:14,710
break and we're we're discussing you

1922
01:15:19,140 --> 01:15:17,770
know you know what do you think you

1923
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think we're gonna be able to pull any

1924
01:15:23,100 --> 01:15:21,370
more out and all of a sudden we both

1925
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looked at each other and we both felt it

1926
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sigh simultaneously and we had a hallway

1927
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that that had paper sets that were in

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wood frames and they look great on

1929
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camera you can't tell this just paper

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but all of a sudden we heard we hear

1931
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something come down the hallway ratalie

1932
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in the paper and there was no breeze

1933
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ever down there we had never heard this

1934
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before and the hairs standing up on my

1935
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arms just thinking about this and you

1936
01:15:59,490 --> 01:15:57,220
know it something was in that room where

1937
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that's why I don't know how else to

1938
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describe it and I'm kind of embarrassed

1939
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I'm even admitting this that I that I

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had that that feeling I don't think we

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were psyching each other out I mean we

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did everything we could to try to figure

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out you know what it could be

1944
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we tried various flipping the breakers

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the lights were dimming and coming back

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on we had some electrical effects got

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so kind of sort of mostly not about UFOs

2061
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so if you're tired of UFOs we're trying

2062
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to figure out the ghost thing and Chris

2063
01:21:23,070 --> 01:21:20,800
is sharing some of his encounters Chris

2064
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I don't know if we call me encounters

2065
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again I'm very very skeptical about any

2066
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sort of interpretive take on this as

2067
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being hitchhikers or ghosts coming and

2068
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following us but I find it very

2069
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interesting we've been working there for

2070
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almost two years at that point and I

2071
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never in all the hours that I'd spent

2072
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down there alone with other people at

2073
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night or during the day we had never had

2074
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those those types of effects Electrical

2075
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kind of weird electrical anomalies very

2076
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clearly something coming down the

2077
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hallway and rattling the paper sets we'd

2078
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never experienced that before there was

2079
01:22:02,760 --> 01:21:58,630
no drafts or anything in the building

2080
01:22:03,900 --> 01:22:02,770
so basically Ron started to kind of get

2081
01:22:05,790 --> 01:22:03,910
a little freaked out about and I said

2082
01:22:07,500 --> 01:22:05,800
look you know if you're just gonna feed

2083
01:22:09,060 --> 01:22:07,510
this thing whatever it is it's whether

2084
01:22:10,950 --> 01:22:09,070
it's psychos you know some sort of

2085
01:22:12,390 --> 01:22:10,960
psychological thing we should definitely

2086
01:22:15,510 --> 01:22:12,400
just you know finish up for the night

2087
01:22:18,450 --> 01:22:15,520
you know leave and then come back fresh

2088
01:22:21,780 --> 01:22:18,460
in the morning and we did and there was

2089
01:22:24,060 --> 01:22:21,790
still something there that night and so

2090
01:22:27,209 --> 01:22:24,070
Ron in His infinite wisdom had you know

2091
01:22:29,669 --> 01:22:27,219
a tag team of I don't know what you call

2092
01:22:31,680 --> 01:22:29,679
him sedona adepts coming in and in doing

2093
01:22:33,720 --> 01:22:31,690
cleanses and cleansing z' of the space

2094
01:22:35,640 --> 01:22:33,730
and you know I wasn't there I don't know

2095
01:22:39,060 --> 01:22:35,650
exactly what they did it was a little

2096
01:22:41,310 --> 01:22:39,070
bit too kind of hokey for me but

2097
01:22:43,229 --> 01:22:41,320
whatever they did it appeared to work

2098
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because then we continued working on the

2099
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project you know complete with big long

2100
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EVP cleaning cleaning sessions and all

2101
01:22:53,040 --> 01:22:50,860
sorts of things ago as Paul knows goes

2102
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into the post-production process of

2103
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producing programming and and we had no

2104
01:23:02,550 --> 01:22:59,710
nothing even close to what we

2105
01:23:03,930 --> 01:23:02,560
experienced so what what was it did we

2106
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bring something back do we have a

2107
01:23:09,080 --> 01:23:04,719
hitchhiker

2108
01:23:11,580 --> 01:23:09,090
was it just some weird coincidental

2109
01:23:14,790 --> 01:23:11,590
anomalous thing that happened that we

2110
01:23:17,669 --> 01:23:14,800
then fed it with our you know drawing

2111
01:23:19,739 --> 01:23:17,679
attention to it you know between the two

2112
01:23:22,950 --> 01:23:19,749
of us were we feeding off each other and

2113
01:23:26,580 --> 01:23:22,960
in creating more out of something that

2114
01:23:28,979 --> 01:23:26,590
then really it should have been we

2115
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should have been creating were we Co

2116
01:23:33,089 --> 01:23:30,969
creative in the process was it something

2117
01:23:35,879 --> 01:23:33,099
independent of us I don't know but I I'm

2118
01:23:38,669 --> 01:23:35,889
fascinated by all this type of thing and

2119
01:23:40,500 --> 01:23:38,679
prior to to these experiences I had

2120
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always discounted hauntings I always

2121
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thought it was just people you know

2122
01:23:47,160 --> 01:23:45,039
being kind of psyching themselves out

2123
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and been buying into their own fear and

2124
01:23:50,879 --> 01:23:49,420
that sort of thing and I was looking at

2125
01:23:53,040 --> 01:23:50,889
these things from very very skeptical

2126
01:23:55,739 --> 01:23:53,050
point of view but I'll tell you after

2127
01:23:57,509 --> 01:23:55,749
really diving into this realm I have a

2128
01:24:00,180 --> 01:23:57,519
sense that there is something to it what

2129
01:24:02,790 --> 01:24:00,190
it is as Paul said at the beginning the

2130
01:24:04,770 --> 01:24:02,800
show we really don't know we don't know

2131
01:24:07,799 --> 01:24:04,780
what it is yet there's there's no real

2132
01:24:10,770 --> 01:24:07,809
definitive explanation and there's

2133
01:24:13,080 --> 01:24:10,780
probably multiple types of phenomenal

2134
01:24:14,910 --> 01:24:13,090
events going on or causations

2135
01:24:17,189 --> 01:24:14,920
behind these phenomenal events it's

2136
01:24:22,140 --> 01:24:17,199
probably not one size fits all there's

2137
01:24:24,060 --> 01:24:22,150
probably multiple energies or whatever

2138
01:24:25,469 --> 01:24:24,070
operating and I know some of our

2139
01:24:28,859 --> 01:24:25,479
listeners hate it when they hear the

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01:24:33,060 --> 01:24:28,869
word energy but how how else can you

2141
01:24:35,850 --> 01:24:33,070
describe something like this yeah that

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01:24:38,910 --> 01:24:35,860
falls under the category of I concur

2143
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which is to say you know when when I

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went into this there has never been a

2145
01:24:50,969 --> 01:24:47,289
more skeptical less interested in ghost

2146
01:24:53,489 --> 01:24:50,979
ghost investigator than me which is to

2147
01:24:55,529 --> 01:24:53,499
say I never watched a ghost hunting show

2148
01:24:58,560 --> 01:24:55,539
before I did this 9 years ago

2149
01:25:00,029 --> 01:24:58,570
even now I watched very little I'm

2150
01:25:02,479 --> 01:25:00,039
familiar with Ghost Adventures because

2151
01:25:05,520 --> 01:25:02,489
it kind of it just amuses me zak bagans

2152
01:25:07,560 --> 01:25:05,530
well you know a bit of actually a

2153
01:25:09,719 --> 01:25:07,570
complete jerk there it's I have to admit

2154
01:25:12,479 --> 01:25:09,729
it's well put together for what it is so

2155
01:25:14,040 --> 01:25:12,489
I watch it the same way I watch you know

2156
01:25:17,310 --> 01:25:14,050
Kitchen Nightmares or something it's

2157
01:25:20,339 --> 01:25:17,320
it's it's sort of fun and we nightmares

2158
01:25:22,080 --> 01:25:20,349
wait wait wait Kitchen Nightmares yeah

2159
01:25:23,250 --> 01:25:22,090
I'm a big Gordon Ramsay fan anyway let's

2160
01:25:27,229 --> 01:25:23,260
say I have no idea what that is

2161
01:25:29,609 --> 01:25:27,239
okay oh it's it's a reality show but the

2162
01:25:31,379 --> 01:25:29,619
the thing is there were a couple of

2163
01:25:33,160 --> 01:25:31,389
times when we would finish shooting and

2164
01:25:34,750 --> 01:25:33,170
we would go back to you

2165
01:25:37,450 --> 01:25:34,760
the house we were staying at or whatever

2166
01:25:40,180 --> 01:25:37,460
and Dylan and I in particular you know

2167
01:25:42,490 --> 01:25:40,190
just to unwind because some of these

2168
01:25:44,260 --> 01:25:42,500
were really emotionally draining

2169
01:25:46,840 --> 01:25:44,270
experiences and I I can tell you about

2170
01:25:48,189 --> 01:25:46,850
if there's one that I would like to talk

2171
01:25:49,810 --> 01:25:48,199
about it would be the Queens County

2172
01:25:51,400 --> 01:25:49,820
Museum and Liverpool Nova Scotia which

2173
01:25:54,280 --> 01:25:51,410
is the episode I'm just wrapping up now

2174
01:25:58,479 --> 01:25:54,290
the kickoff two-parter episode for the

2175
01:26:01,419 --> 01:25:58,489
season and Holly experienced what I

2176
01:26:03,479 --> 01:26:01,429
think is the best evidence as far as I

2177
01:26:07,120 --> 01:26:03,489
can tell anyone's ever recorded on

2178
01:26:08,680 --> 01:26:07,130
television at least about this and I had

2179
01:26:11,470 --> 01:26:08,690
what I can only call the Mac Tony's

2180
01:26:13,689 --> 01:26:11,480
experience which months later Greg

2181
01:26:15,490 --> 01:26:13,699
experienced - and and we can get into

2182
01:26:18,280 --> 01:26:15,500
that that's a much longer story but just

2183
01:26:19,990 --> 01:26:18,290
to kind of finish the thought so when

2184
01:26:22,209 --> 01:26:20,000
you come away from something like that

2185
01:26:24,580 --> 01:26:22,219
and there was a really both traumatic

2186
01:26:27,580 --> 01:26:24,590
night especially for Holly but also kind

2187
01:26:30,520 --> 01:26:27,590
of a really mind-blowing like him am I

2188
01:26:31,689 --> 01:26:30,530
talking to Mac kind of night for me we

2189
01:26:33,520 --> 01:26:31,699
would go back to the house or whatever

2190
01:26:36,250 --> 01:26:33,530
that we were staying at and we put on

2191
01:26:38,890 --> 01:26:36,260
Ghost Adventures because it would

2192
01:26:40,630 --> 01:26:38,900
lighten the mood it's a terrible show

2193
01:26:43,630 --> 01:26:40,640
when it comes to treating the subject

2194
01:26:46,479 --> 01:26:43,640
seriously i'm zak bagans and this is a

2195
01:26:48,400 --> 01:26:46,489
demon you know if you want that that's

2196
01:26:50,020 --> 01:26:48,410
Ghost Adventures it's not our show

2197
01:26:51,970 --> 01:26:50,030
you're never gonna hear that on our show

2198
01:26:53,770 --> 01:26:51,980
but you know we would sit there and we'd

2199
01:26:55,810 --> 01:26:53,780
laugh and laugh and it would help defuse

2200
01:26:57,280 --> 01:26:55,820
the tension that we were all feeling so

2201
01:26:59,530 --> 01:26:57,290
if nothing else Ghost Adventures was

2202
01:27:01,000 --> 01:26:59,540
like a palate cleanser for us because we

2203
01:27:03,130 --> 01:27:01,010
would sit and you know I'd look at Dylan

2204
01:27:05,530 --> 01:27:03,140
I go this guy's an idiot but he's an

2205
01:27:08,919 --> 01:27:05,540
amusing idiot and whatever he's doing

2206
01:27:12,340 --> 01:27:08,929
right now is either fake or it is so

2207
01:27:15,340 --> 01:27:12,350
ramped up that you can't tell where the

2208
01:27:17,500 --> 01:27:15,350
real experience begins and zak bagans

2209
01:27:19,689 --> 01:27:17,510
you're the real experience ends and zak

2210
01:27:22,390 --> 01:27:19,699
bagans begins and if it seems like I'm

2211
01:27:24,580 --> 01:27:22,400
you know really crapping on zak bagans I

2212
01:27:26,650 --> 01:27:24,590
am but I also find him wildly

2213
01:27:28,660 --> 01:27:26,660
entertaining it's it's a terrible

2214
01:27:30,700 --> 01:27:28,670
love-hate relationship I have was act I

2215
01:27:32,770 --> 01:27:30,710
can see Ghost Adventures but I was not a

2216
01:27:33,100 --> 01:27:32,780
guy that watched ghost shows I still

2217
01:27:35,290 --> 01:27:33,110
don't

2218
01:27:37,660 --> 01:27:35,300
other than zak bagans occasionally watch

2219
01:27:39,040 --> 01:27:37,670
ghost shows I don't watch ghost hunters

2220
01:27:41,890 --> 01:27:39,050
I don't I just don't find them

2221
01:27:43,630 --> 01:27:41,900
interesting so you know people will say

2222
01:27:45,790 --> 01:27:43,640
well why should we watch your show Paul

2223
01:27:46,950 --> 01:27:45,800
I don't know I probably wouldn't watch

2224
01:27:50,220 --> 01:27:46,960
my show myself

2225
01:27:52,590 --> 01:27:50,230
didn't know me but for us because I'm

2226
01:27:54,810 --> 01:27:52,600
there it it does interest me and then I

2227
01:27:57,390 --> 01:27:54,820
kind of you know maybe I start to look

2228
01:27:59,580 --> 01:27:57,400
not a ghost shows on television but

2229
01:28:02,220 --> 01:27:59,590
people who go out and investigate it

2230
01:28:03,900 --> 01:28:02,230
off-camera so I have friends more men

2231
01:28:06,930 --> 01:28:03,910
many more friends now than I ever did

2232
01:28:08,820 --> 01:28:06,940
before who do this on a more regular

2233
01:28:10,350 --> 01:28:08,830
basis and those are the people I don't

2234
01:28:12,270 --> 01:28:10,360
want to watch you know the ghost hunters

2235
01:28:13,950 --> 01:28:12,280
guys I want to go out and talk to these

2236
01:28:16,800 --> 01:28:13,960
people find out what their experiences

2237
01:28:18,930 --> 01:28:16,810
were so except for zak bagans because

2238
01:28:20,310 --> 01:28:18,940
he's wildly entertaining so these are

2239
01:28:22,770 --> 01:28:20,320
the folks that I kind of hang out with

2240
01:28:24,360 --> 01:28:22,780
and in a sense not only do I get to make

2241
01:28:25,740 --> 01:28:24,370
a television show about it and

2242
01:28:27,690 --> 01:28:25,750
experience it myself with Holly and

2243
01:28:29,370 --> 01:28:27,700
Dylan and others but then I get all

2244
01:28:31,320 --> 01:28:29,380
these other people that I've met on this

2245
01:28:33,180 --> 01:28:31,330
journey and I get to hear about their

2246
01:28:35,070 --> 01:28:33,190
experiences and I get to talk to them

2247
01:28:36,420 --> 01:28:35,080
about their stories and see if there's

2248
01:28:38,370 --> 01:28:36,430
commonalities between what they

2249
01:28:40,770 --> 01:28:38,380
experience what we experience sometimes

2250
01:28:42,660 --> 01:28:40,780
the same location even that almost makes

2251
01:28:44,430 --> 01:28:42,670
you a folklorist as much as a ghost

2252
01:28:46,620 --> 01:28:44,440
investigator that aspect of it

2253
01:28:48,750 --> 01:28:46,630
collecting stories of sharing stories of

2254
01:28:50,400 --> 01:28:48,760
telling stories even if it's not on

2255
01:28:53,459 --> 01:28:50,410
camera so sometimes I do it on camera

2256
01:28:55,470 --> 01:28:53,469
but a lot of the time I still continue

2257
01:28:57,500 --> 01:28:55,480
to do that and folks will walk up to me

2258
01:28:59,340 --> 01:28:57,510
and just say when I was campaigning

2259
01:29:01,740 --> 01:28:59,350
mostly they wanted to talk about

2260
01:29:03,450 --> 01:29:01,750
healthcare or whatever but some people

2261
01:29:05,430 --> 01:29:03,460
would say yeah don't be embarrassed by

2262
01:29:08,040 --> 01:29:05,440
but we this house is haunted and I know

2263
01:29:09,840 --> 01:29:08,050
you do a ghost show yeah tell me about

2264
01:29:12,870 --> 01:29:09,850
the show kind of thing or tell me about

2265
01:29:15,600 --> 01:29:12,880
the house so you know it's it's it's not

2266
01:29:18,930 --> 01:29:15,610
just a mixed bag it's a potpourri of the

2267
01:29:22,890 --> 01:29:18,940
paranormal and its really at the core

2268
01:29:24,750 --> 01:29:22,900
fun but it's also I mean this I'm not

2269
01:29:27,959 --> 01:29:24,760
just sort of making this up and trying

2270
01:29:30,030 --> 01:29:27,969
to sell the radio show here use this for

2271
01:29:32,070 --> 01:29:30,040
your your teaser though I mean it's

2272
01:29:34,890 --> 01:29:32,080
really frightening like sometimes

2273
01:29:36,810 --> 01:29:34,900
mind-blowing ly frightening and I had

2274
01:29:39,750 --> 01:29:36,820
never seen Holly or heard Holly yell

2275
01:29:41,820 --> 01:29:39,760
like in sheer terror until the first

2276
01:29:44,430 --> 01:29:41,830
location we did for haunted and I've

2277
01:29:47,520 --> 01:29:44,440
never seen a human being in my presence

2278
01:29:49,260 --> 01:29:47,530
as frightened as I saw Holly and that's

2279
01:29:51,900 --> 01:29:49,270
that's the kind of experience he can

2280
01:29:53,790 --> 01:29:51,910
have - well if you wanna be frightened

2281
01:29:57,030 --> 01:29:53,800
out of your wits yeah does it ever

2282
01:29:58,560 --> 01:29:57,040
discourage her at all she's that

2283
01:29:58,969 --> 01:29:58,570
frightened as she's still willing to go

2284
01:30:02,029 --> 01:29:58,979
through

2285
01:30:04,160 --> 01:30:02,039
or does she have to be psyched up know

2286
01:30:07,129 --> 01:30:04,170
Holly's a trooper so you know Holly was

2287
01:30:08,899 --> 01:30:07,139
right back at it the next day kind of

2288
01:30:11,449 --> 01:30:08,909
thing if there's anybody is gonna quit

2289
01:30:13,750 --> 01:30:11,459
it's gonna be me in fact there's more

2290
01:30:16,790 --> 01:30:13,760
than one time during the first season

2291
01:30:18,709 --> 01:30:16,800
usually kind of jokingly I sort of be

2292
01:30:20,299 --> 01:30:18,719
joking around but half serious I said

2293
01:30:22,459 --> 01:30:20,309
this is it at the end of the first

2294
01:30:23,959 --> 01:30:22,469
season I'm done like for the same

2295
01:30:26,449 --> 01:30:23,969
reasons that I left you know nine years

2296
01:30:27,680 --> 01:30:26,459
ago I'm gonna ask about that we've got

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more to come with Paul Kimball

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[Music]

2413
01:35:15,690 --> 01:35:12,900
this gene ingress and the para cast

2414
01:35:19,650 --> 01:35:15,700
we've got Paul Kimball and we're

2415
01:35:22,290 --> 01:35:19,660
exploring haunted places haunted houses

2416
01:35:24,930 --> 01:35:22,300
now when you talk about the experiences

2417
01:35:26,940 --> 01:35:24,940
you've had it kind of goes against the

2418
01:35:29,880 --> 01:35:26,950
grain which is the perception that a

2419
01:35:32,940 --> 01:35:29,890
haunted house is being populated by the

2420
01:35:35,670 --> 01:35:32,950
spirit of some person who lived there

2421
01:35:37,700 --> 01:35:35,680
and after dying just couldn't get away

2422
01:35:40,520 --> 01:35:37,710
but you're talking about something else

2423
01:35:42,720 --> 01:35:40,530
right or in their resemblance with that

2424
01:35:45,480 --> 01:35:42,730
could be it could be the spirit of

2425
01:35:50,100 --> 01:35:45,490
somebody who died and lived there I'm

2426
01:35:51,570 --> 01:35:50,110
sort of notorious for saying that and I

2427
01:35:52,770 --> 01:35:51,580
think I said this earlier in the show I

2428
01:35:54,570 --> 01:35:52,780
would like to think that if there's an

2429
01:35:54,960 --> 01:35:54,580
afterlife it's more interesting than

2430
01:36:04,830 --> 01:35:54,970
that

2431
01:36:07,380 --> 01:36:04,840
experiences where I see commonalities

2432
01:36:09,480 --> 01:36:07,390
from location to location and I go you

2433
01:36:11,130 --> 01:36:09,490
know I think this is more about us it's

2434
01:36:13,500 --> 01:36:11,140
more about as Greg Bishop would say his

2435
01:36:15,270 --> 01:36:13,510
co-creation hypothesis that we're

2436
01:36:18,000 --> 01:36:15,280
working with something and maybe it's

2437
01:36:19,980 --> 01:36:18,010
working with us and it's continuing over

2438
01:36:22,830 --> 01:36:19,990
we bought a ticket to this movie theater

2439
01:36:25,380 --> 01:36:22,840
that is doing 13 episodes of haunted /

2440
01:36:26,700 --> 01:36:25,390
season and as we go along through that

2441
01:36:28,860 --> 01:36:26,710
it's traveling with us and then when

2442
01:36:31,230 --> 01:36:28,870
we're done maybe it goes off and only

2443
01:36:33,390 --> 01:36:31,240
returns when we enter the movie theater

2444
01:36:34,890 --> 01:36:33,400
again I don't know but I have very good

2445
01:36:37,170 --> 01:36:34,900
friends Linda Rafe use for instance

2446
01:36:38,910 --> 01:36:37,180
who's a paranormal investigator here in

2447
01:36:41,760 --> 01:36:38,920
Nova Scotia helped us out with some of

2448
01:36:44,340 --> 01:36:41,770
the episodes she runs a group called the

2449
01:36:45,600 --> 01:36:44,350
this is terrible I can't remember the

2450
01:36:47,370 --> 01:36:45,610
name of her group terrible terrible

2451
01:36:48,660 --> 01:36:47,380
sorry Linda but she's from Liverpool

2452
01:36:50,250 --> 01:36:48,670
Nova Scotia she's actually the director

2453
01:36:52,440 --> 01:36:50,260
of the Queens County Museum which was

2454
01:36:55,410 --> 01:36:52,450
one of the haunted sites we went to and

2455
01:36:57,360 --> 01:36:55,420
she's firmly convinced that these are

2456
01:36:59,310 --> 01:36:57,370
the spirits of you know dead people that

2457
01:37:01,050 --> 01:36:59,320
are living in her museum or somebody's

2458
01:37:02,910 --> 01:37:01,060
house or whatever and that's fine you

2459
01:37:04,560 --> 01:37:02,920
know she and I don't argue about it we

2460
01:37:06,300 --> 01:37:04,570
just look at it in different ways and

2461
01:37:08,340 --> 01:37:06,310
see different things maybe we're both

2462
01:37:10,620 --> 01:37:08,350
right or me you know more likely I'm

2463
01:37:13,740 --> 01:37:10,630
right sorry Linda just kidding but you

2464
01:37:15,990 --> 01:37:13,750
know there's space enough within that to

2465
01:37:17,490 --> 01:37:16,000
say that both of us could be right well

2466
01:37:19,290 --> 01:37:17,500
at the same time both of us could be

2467
01:37:20,630 --> 01:37:19,300
wrong it could be something else I'm

2468
01:37:22,590 --> 01:37:20,640
more interested in the experience

2469
01:37:25,050 --> 01:37:22,600
usually than trying to

2470
01:37:27,420 --> 01:37:25,060
what it is so I'm more of a chronicler

2471
01:37:28,590 --> 01:37:27,430
the experiences and then it's like you

2472
01:37:30,720 --> 01:37:28,600
know you can do this too

2473
01:37:32,580 --> 01:37:30,730
so anybody listening if you want to come

2474
01:37:34,410 --> 01:37:32,590
to Nova Scotia and you want to go to the

2475
01:37:36,120 --> 01:37:34,420
Queens County Museum which is a public

2476
01:37:37,680 --> 01:37:36,130
museum you can just walk in they don't

2477
01:37:40,050 --> 01:37:37,690
even charge admission although they do

2478
01:37:42,270 --> 01:37:40,060
request a donation you can go to the

2479
01:37:44,430 --> 01:37:42,280
same rooms pretty much all the same

2480
01:37:46,830 --> 01:37:44,440
rooms except for the Attic where we were

2481
01:37:48,960 --> 01:37:46,840
and you know I'm pretty sure Linda would

2482
01:37:50,700 --> 01:37:48,970
be cool if you wanted to put out an EVP

2483
01:37:53,160 --> 01:37:50,710
you know an audio recorder and see if

2484
01:37:56,160 --> 01:37:53,170
you could get get some sort of EB EVP or

2485
01:37:58,410 --> 01:37:56,170
have some sort of communication so you

2486
01:38:00,390 --> 01:37:58,420
can go to a lot of these places that we

2487
01:38:02,880 --> 01:38:00,400
go to and try and have those same

2488
01:38:04,620 --> 01:38:02,890
experiences yourself which I also think

2489
01:38:06,480 --> 01:38:04,630
is pretty cool and you know you can go

2490
01:38:08,220 --> 01:38:06,490
to the places AK Baggins is going and

2491
01:38:10,590 --> 01:38:08,230
try and have the experiences that he's

2492
01:38:12,960 --> 01:38:10,600
having so there is that element to it

2493
01:38:15,210 --> 01:38:12,970
where you know we can all share in this

2494
01:38:17,340 --> 01:38:15,220
experience and I think that's a little

2495
01:38:18,960 --> 01:38:17,350
different than the UFO phenomenon which

2496
01:38:21,270 --> 01:38:18,970
is maybe why I like the ghost thing more

2497
01:38:22,860 --> 01:38:21,280
because if there is something to it I

2498
01:38:26,030 --> 01:38:22,870
think we can summon the ghost thing I

2499
01:38:29,040 --> 01:38:26,040
think we can become part of it

2500
01:38:31,440 --> 01:38:29,050
location-specific - that's the thing

2501
01:38:33,300 --> 01:38:31,450
Chris I'm not sure it is I'm not sure

2502
01:38:35,430 --> 01:38:33,310
that the locations are necessarily and

2503
01:38:36,630 --> 01:38:35,440
maybe in some cases they are but I like

2504
01:38:39,420 --> 01:38:36,640
the hitch-hiker thing I'm gonna use that

2505
01:38:41,730 --> 01:38:39,430
in season two you know the idea or in

2506
01:38:43,530 --> 01:38:41,740
the narration of season one the the idea

2507
01:38:45,210 --> 01:38:43,540
that you're you're traveling with it so

2508
01:38:46,230 --> 01:38:45,220
it's part of your crew almost and it's

2509
01:38:48,270 --> 01:38:46,240
coming along with you

2510
01:38:51,330 --> 01:38:48,280
maybe this location specific but I'm not

2511
01:38:54,210 --> 01:38:51,340
sure that it is lately I've been really

2512
01:38:56,790 --> 01:38:54,220
diving into research in Jerome Arizona

2513
01:39:00,510 --> 01:38:56,800
which was one of the most important

2514
01:39:02,820 --> 01:39:00,520
copper mining towns in the world

2515
01:39:06,380 --> 01:39:02,830
actually if you've ever seen an American

2516
01:39:08,910 --> 01:39:06,390
wheat penny that copper came from Jerome

2517
01:39:10,260 --> 01:39:08,920
cool place i I've been there and I had a

2518
01:39:12,000 --> 01:39:10,270
film screen there last year at their

2519
01:39:14,280 --> 01:39:12,010
film festival of Jerome great place yeah

2520
01:39:15,360 --> 01:39:14,290
yeah I've been really diving into the

2521
01:39:17,160 --> 01:39:15,370
history of the place and I've been

2522
01:39:19,890 --> 01:39:17,170
talking to Historical Society folks that

2523
01:39:22,770 --> 01:39:19,900
are really up on on the Haunted site

2524
01:39:24,960 --> 01:39:22,780
element to this I'm pretty convinced

2525
01:39:29,090 --> 01:39:24,970
that there are some very very specific

2526
01:39:32,490 --> 01:39:29,100
places in Jerome that have an feature

2527
01:39:33,810 --> 01:39:32,500
unusual ghost like if you will

2528
01:39:36,140 --> 01:39:33,820
phenomena

2529
01:39:38,910 --> 01:39:36,150
and it doesn't really vary that much

2530
01:39:40,890 --> 01:39:38,920
maybe people's expectations have

2531
01:39:44,190 --> 01:39:40,900
something to do with that I'm not sure

2532
01:39:46,320 --> 01:39:44,200
but when you have people that are not

2533
01:39:48,420 --> 01:39:46,330
that up to speed and familiar with

2534
01:39:50,520 --> 01:39:48,430
what's been reported they're reporting

2535
01:39:53,280 --> 01:39:50,530
the same thing that's been reported for

2536
01:39:54,900 --> 01:39:53,290
years it's kind of hard not to kind of

2537
01:39:56,850 --> 01:39:54,910
make the leap that maybe everybody's

2538
01:39:59,430 --> 01:39:56,860
picking up on something that is present

2539
01:40:03,270 --> 01:39:59,440
there so I I'm not sure I think the jury

2540
01:40:04,770 --> 01:40:03,280
is still out but I being slowly pulled

2541
01:40:06,990 --> 01:40:04,780
in that direction let's put it that way

2542
01:40:09,060 --> 01:40:07,000
yeah I would agree with you and say that

2543
01:40:11,550 --> 01:40:09,070
the jury is still out on that I don't

2544
01:40:13,560 --> 01:40:11,560
rule it out you know I I don't know I

2545
01:40:15,780 --> 01:40:13,570
actually kind of liked that explanation

2546
01:40:17,850 --> 01:40:15,790
better because it means it's not coming

2547
01:40:20,190 --> 01:40:17,860
home with me you know it's not following

2548
01:40:22,620 --> 01:40:20,200
me so that actually is a pretty cool

2549
01:40:24,450 --> 01:40:22,630
that's fine I think it's a little

2550
01:40:26,850 --> 01:40:24,460
weirder than that and it might be both

2551
01:40:28,920 --> 01:40:26,860
both things might be true you know let

2552
01:40:30,930 --> 01:40:28,930
me go back to my tired and cliched movie

2553
01:40:32,640 --> 01:40:30,940
theater thing if I want to go watch a

2554
01:40:35,130 --> 01:40:32,650
movie I can't do it on the corner of

2555
01:40:36,990 --> 01:40:35,140
Roby Street no Greg you know and North

2556
01:40:38,730 --> 01:40:37,000
Street here in Halifax there's no movie

2557
01:40:40,110 --> 01:40:38,740
theater there I actually have to go out

2558
01:40:41,820 --> 01:40:40,120
and drive to where there's a movie

2559
01:40:43,470 --> 01:40:41,830
theater and then enter it that is a

2560
01:40:45,450 --> 01:40:43,480
particular place where I can have that

2561
01:40:46,980 --> 01:40:45,460
particular experience if I want to go

2562
01:40:48,630 --> 01:40:46,990
see a baseball game I have to go to the

2563
01:40:51,420 --> 01:40:48,640
baseball field down the street from me

2564
01:40:53,730 --> 01:40:51,430
that kind of thing so sure you know

2565
01:40:56,100 --> 01:40:53,740
maybe there are particular places that

2566
01:40:58,370 --> 01:40:56,110
are for whatever reason put this word in

2567
01:41:01,470 --> 01:40:58,380
quotation marks haunted or

2568
01:41:04,290 --> 01:41:01,480
experientially oriented if you want call

2569
01:41:07,020 --> 01:41:04,300
them portals maybe they're portals in

2570
01:41:10,500 --> 01:41:07,030
certain individuals may have some sort

2571
01:41:13,560 --> 01:41:10,510
of quality about them as yet you know

2572
01:41:16,800 --> 01:41:13,570
undefined that may give whatever it is

2573
01:41:18,750 --> 01:41:16,810
that's there whatever energy the spirit

2574
01:41:20,550 --> 01:41:18,760
form you know whatever you however you

2575
01:41:23,850 --> 01:41:20,560
want to call it possibly give them

2576
01:41:26,550 --> 01:41:23,860
permission to manifest or possibly

2577
01:41:27,810 --> 01:41:26,560
provoke them for some unknown reason

2578
01:41:30,720 --> 01:41:27,820
there seems to be a cause-and-effect

2579
01:41:33,090 --> 01:41:30,730
relationship between certain individuals

2580
01:41:37,350 --> 01:41:33,100
and the type of things that are being

2581
01:41:40,320 --> 01:41:37,360
reported for instance there's quite a

2582
01:41:42,750 --> 01:41:40,330
number of dwellings in Jerome that are

2583
01:41:44,310 --> 01:41:42,760
they're considered to be haunted the

2584
01:41:45,690 --> 01:41:44,320
people obviously living in these

2585
01:41:47,430 --> 01:41:45,700
dwellings are the ones that have to deal

2586
01:41:50,070 --> 01:41:47,440
with it when we have a

2587
01:41:52,290 --> 01:41:50,080
very interesting cases where you know

2588
01:41:54,630 --> 01:41:52,300
people move out other people move in

2589
01:41:56,490 --> 01:41:54,640
they're not aware of the type of

2590
01:41:58,950 --> 01:41:56,500
activity that's been reported in the

2591
01:42:00,660 --> 01:41:58,960
past people are reluctant to tell them

2592
01:42:02,939 --> 01:42:00,670
especially real estate agents who try to

2593
01:42:04,530 --> 01:42:02,949
want to close the deal that sort of

2594
01:42:09,810 --> 01:42:04,540
thing so I think a lot of this is

2595
01:42:11,939 --> 01:42:09,820
downplayed in many haunted site areas in

2596
01:42:15,840 --> 01:42:11,949
terms of change changing of ownership

2597
01:42:17,550 --> 01:42:15,850
and invariably you know at least in a

2598
01:42:19,320 --> 01:42:17,560
couple that I know of I'm not sure about

2599
01:42:21,540 --> 01:42:19,330
all of them but invariably in a couple

2600
01:42:24,000 --> 01:42:21,550
of these locations the same type of

2601
01:42:26,850 --> 01:42:24,010
phenomenal occurrences are being

2602
01:42:28,740 --> 01:42:26,860
reported by people that you never sure

2603
01:42:31,200 --> 01:42:28,750
if somebody heard a story or not and

2604
01:42:33,750 --> 01:42:31,210
whether that impacted their there there

2605
01:42:35,850 --> 01:42:33,760
later on experiences but the best of my

2606
01:42:37,170 --> 01:42:35,860
knowledge these people were experiencing

2607
01:42:39,689 --> 01:42:37,180
the same thing that had already been

2608
01:42:41,900 --> 01:42:39,699
experienced before by others without the

2609
01:42:45,600 --> 01:42:41,910
foreknowledge of those experiences so

2610
01:42:47,820 --> 01:42:45,610
there's kind of ways to maybe set up

2611
01:42:50,010 --> 01:42:47,830
little experiments experiments to maybe

2612
01:42:53,100 --> 01:42:50,020
test some of these ideas and theories

2613
01:42:56,520 --> 01:42:53,110
and I I think more work needs to be done

2614
01:42:58,590 --> 01:42:56,530
in this regard try to look look at it

2615
01:43:00,600 --> 01:42:58,600
more scientifically as opposed to

2616
01:43:04,310 --> 01:43:00,610
sitting there and and you know

2617
01:43:07,020 --> 01:43:04,320
maximizing your your potential with

2618
01:43:10,229 --> 01:43:07,030
creeping yourself out and having cameras

2619
01:43:11,640 --> 01:43:10,239
rolling which I'm glad and I knowing you

2620
01:43:14,070 --> 01:43:11,650
Paul I know that that's not the the

2621
01:43:16,350 --> 01:43:14,080
approach you take but you know I stopped

2622
01:43:19,350 --> 01:43:16,360
watching the ghost shows 10 years ago I

2623
01:43:21,479 --> 01:43:19,360
just I really got fed up I watched a

2624
01:43:23,910 --> 01:43:21,489
couple of Amy Alan's dead file shows

2625
01:43:25,560 --> 01:43:23,920
because I know Amy is the real deal I've

2626
01:43:29,220 --> 01:43:25,570
worked with her in the past before she

2627
01:43:30,090 --> 01:43:29,230
became this TV celebrity she's very very

2628
01:43:32,490 --> 01:43:30,100
talented

2629
01:43:34,830 --> 01:43:32,500
I've got slam dunk evidence said she

2630
01:43:36,840 --> 01:43:34,840
picked up on stuff that I think there

2631
01:43:38,340 --> 01:43:36,850
are individuals that do have a knack for

2632
01:43:41,070 --> 01:43:38,350
this sort of thing I think they have

2633
01:43:45,209 --> 01:43:41,080
natural abilities and sensitivities that

2634
01:43:47,880 --> 01:43:45,219
the rest of us don't have but again I

2635
01:43:49,229 --> 01:43:47,890
think that the shows are doing the

2636
01:43:52,500 --> 01:43:49,239
subject of disservice

2637
01:43:54,630 --> 01:43:52,510
I know it's entertainment but the more

2638
01:43:57,419 --> 01:43:54,640
science you can bring to bear and the

2639
01:44:00,750 --> 01:43:57,429
more well-thought-out experiments I

2640
01:44:01,430 --> 01:44:00,760
think that are enacted I think that

2641
01:44:03,730 --> 01:44:01,440
that's going to

2642
01:44:06,020 --> 01:44:03,740
possibly bring a little bit more

2643
01:44:08,420 --> 01:44:06,030
legitimacy to the whole to the whole

2644
01:44:11,750 --> 01:44:08,430
field and also it may be opening up

2645
01:44:13,670 --> 01:44:11,760
potential vistas of new information yeah

2646
01:44:17,150 --> 01:44:13,680
you know I don't disagree with that my

2647
01:44:18,920 --> 01:44:17,160
my only comment would be and I do not

2648
01:44:20,600 --> 01:44:18,930
mean this to sound the way it's about to

2649
01:44:23,750 --> 01:44:20,610
sound but it's the only way it can they

2650
01:44:25,760 --> 01:44:23,760
get phrase it don't care like you know

2651
01:44:26,780 --> 01:44:25,770
I'm not a scientist so there's there's a

2652
01:44:29,540 --> 01:44:26,790
limit to what I can do

2653
01:44:31,430 --> 01:44:29,550
I'm I'm a television guy and I have to

2654
01:44:34,730 --> 01:44:31,440
work within the medium within a which I

2655
01:44:37,100 --> 01:44:34,740
work so for me and it's kind of the

2656
01:44:38,960 --> 01:44:37,110
reason I don't go to church so and that

2657
01:44:40,640 --> 01:44:38,970
will make sense in a second I hope like

2658
01:44:42,710 --> 01:44:40,650
I haven't gone to church and I don't

2659
01:44:44,870 --> 01:44:42,720
know 40 years since my parents said yeah

2660
01:44:46,130 --> 01:44:44,880
you can stop going to church because I'm

2661
01:44:49,010 --> 01:44:46,140
just not interested in having people

2662
01:44:51,290 --> 01:44:49,020
talk to me or you know I'm familiar and

2663
01:44:53,660 --> 01:44:51,300
well-versed in theology and philosophy

2664
01:44:56,120 --> 01:44:53,670
and those kinds of things on my own and

2665
01:44:58,070 --> 01:44:56,130
through my university studies but what

2666
01:45:00,080 --> 01:44:58,080
I'm much more interested in I decided

2667
01:45:02,630 --> 01:45:00,090
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spiritual experiences and I spent a fair

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amount of time in college studying a guy

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named Henry Allen a great evangelist

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here in the 18th century noah scotia

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paul Kimbo Chris O'Brien Jean Steinberg

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here's Jane Steinberg a story begins

2731
01:48:07,620 --> 01:48:04,450
from Paul Kimball and then there's the

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inevitable break not a plot not ET not a

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01:48:12,720 --> 01:48:10,120
ghost not the trickster

2734
01:48:14,370 --> 01:48:12,730
but the way it is Paul go ahead sure

2735
01:48:16,740 --> 01:48:14,380
yeah very quickly cuz I've talked about

2736
01:48:18,120 --> 01:48:16,750
the Henry Allen before and but you know

2737
01:48:20,400 --> 01:48:18,130
he talked about being ravished by the

2738
01:48:21,930 --> 01:48:20,410
spirit up in God he left a journal which

2739
01:48:23,940 --> 01:48:21,940
is a primary document of great

2740
01:48:25,050 --> 01:48:23,950
importance in Canadian history I mean

2741
01:48:26,580 --> 01:48:25,060
while you guys were fighting a

2742
01:48:28,290 --> 01:48:26,590
revolution we were having a spiritual

2743
01:48:30,390 --> 01:48:28,300
revolution up here in the Atlantic

2744
01:48:33,210 --> 01:48:30,400
colonies which is one of the primary

2745
01:48:34,680 --> 01:48:33,220
reasons why my ancestors here in Nova

2746
01:48:36,300 --> 01:48:34,690
Scotia New Brunswick didn't join the

2747
01:48:38,520 --> 01:48:36,310
revolution they were wrapped up in God

2748
01:48:40,200 --> 01:48:38,530
literally in this revival led by Henry

2749
01:48:41,790 --> 01:48:40,210
Allen but he left this journal and he

2750
01:48:43,980 --> 01:48:41,800
described his experiences in great

2751
01:48:46,200 --> 01:48:43,990
detail well that's what I find

2752
01:48:47,730 --> 01:48:46,210
interesting people's personal journeys

2753
01:48:50,280 --> 01:48:47,740
and could I have that happen to me could

2754
01:48:52,050 --> 01:48:50,290
I so somehow summon that experience

2755
01:48:53,760 --> 01:48:52,060
myself if there is a God or whatever it

2756
01:48:55,890 --> 01:48:53,770
is out there I haven't been able to do

2757
01:48:58,140 --> 01:48:55,900
that yet but you know there's no way I

2758
01:48:59,430 --> 01:48:58,150
can scientifically measure that not the

2759
01:49:01,890 --> 01:48:59,440
least of which is because Allen's been

2760
01:49:03,330 --> 01:49:01,900
dead for you know 200 plus years but I

2761
01:49:05,190 --> 01:49:03,340
don't think even if he was here there's

2762
01:49:06,900 --> 01:49:05,200
a way I can scientifically measure it so

2763
01:49:08,430 --> 01:49:06,910
I'm more of a I fall more in the

2764
01:49:11,010 --> 01:49:08,440
tradition of a folklorist

2765
01:49:12,750 --> 01:49:11,020
or historical researcher or an oral

2766
01:49:14,580 --> 01:49:12,760
researcher you know like oral history

2767
01:49:16,470 --> 01:49:14,590
like Studs Terkel plus also an

2768
01:49:17,910 --> 01:49:16,480
experiencer in the sense of you know I

2769
01:49:19,680 --> 01:49:17,920
want to go out like guy who climbs the

2770
01:49:21,300 --> 01:49:19,690
mountain himself I want to go out and

2771
01:49:23,670 --> 01:49:21,310
see if I can experience it myself and

2772
01:49:25,380 --> 01:49:23,680
then all I can do is say look here is my

2773
01:49:28,410 --> 01:49:25,390
story here's Holly's story and by the

2774
01:49:31,440 --> 01:49:28,420
way we do take gear with us here's what

2775
01:49:33,300 --> 01:49:31,450
we caught on camera or on our audio

2776
01:49:35,880 --> 01:49:33,310
recorders or whatever and I don't think

2777
01:49:37,470 --> 01:49:35,890
that stuff is ghost hunting gear I just

2778
01:49:39,300 --> 01:49:37,480
think they're tools that allow you to

2779
01:49:42,240 --> 01:49:39,310
interact with whatever might be out

2780
01:49:44,820 --> 01:49:42,250
there but also maybe just maybe and I

2781
01:49:46,440 --> 01:49:44,830
think in our case absolutely record some

2782
01:49:48,540 --> 01:49:46,450
of it so that you can show folks and say

2783
01:49:51,390 --> 01:49:48,550
look we're not crazy or we're not lying

2784
01:49:52,409 --> 01:49:51,400
or we didn't make this up this backs up

2785
01:49:53,790 --> 01:49:52,419
well we're telling

2786
01:49:55,229 --> 01:49:53,800
and then I suppose you can always find

2787
01:49:56,729 --> 01:49:55,239
somebody who said well you faked that -

2788
01:49:58,500 --> 01:49:56,739
I'm not that good

2789
01:50:00,449 --> 01:49:58,510
I don't know anybody I can employ that

2790
01:50:02,669 --> 01:50:00,459
that that is that could to just sort of

2791
01:50:04,859 --> 01:50:02,679
fake stuff in the moment that we caught

2792
01:50:06,509 --> 01:50:04,869
but you know even then all I can do is

2793
01:50:08,729 --> 01:50:06,519
say to folks you can either trust me and

2794
01:50:10,229 --> 01:50:08,739
believe me or not and if not don't watch

2795
01:50:12,089 --> 01:50:10,239
the show like if you think I'm lying

2796
01:50:13,979 --> 01:50:12,099
then we'll go watch something else I'm

2797
01:50:15,089 --> 01:50:13,989
just telling you I'm not but I'm also

2798
01:50:17,639 --> 01:50:15,099
telling you I don't care if you think

2799
01:50:19,169 --> 01:50:17,649
I'm lying because I'm satisfied that the

2800
01:50:20,909 --> 01:50:19,179
things we experienced really happened

2801
01:50:22,589 --> 01:50:20,919
you know I don't know what it means yet

2802
01:50:24,779 --> 01:50:22,599
that's why I'm glad we have two more

2803
01:50:26,729 --> 01:50:24,789
seasons at least that I get to go out

2804
01:50:28,139 --> 01:50:26,739
and do this because every time we go out

2805
01:50:29,580 --> 01:50:28,149
and do we you know we experience

2806
01:50:31,709 --> 01:50:29,590
something more and I think we learn

2807
01:50:34,560 --> 01:50:31,719
something more if not about the

2808
01:50:36,389 --> 01:50:34,570
phenomenon then about ourselves and then

2809
01:50:38,250 --> 01:50:36,399
that always leads me back to well okay

2810
01:50:39,000 --> 01:50:38,260
what's the point of all this the point

2811
01:50:40,739 --> 01:50:39,010
of all this

2812
01:50:42,509 --> 01:50:40,749
I've come to believe this over the years

2813
01:50:44,399 --> 01:50:42,519
the more I've looked into it and this

2814
01:50:47,159 --> 01:50:44,409
includes UFOs - and all the paranormal

2815
01:50:50,219 --> 01:50:47,169
stuff is to discover more about

2816
01:50:52,830 --> 01:50:50,229
ourselves then about what it is whatever

2817
01:50:54,209 --> 01:50:52,840
it might be you know it's not like

2818
01:50:56,459 --> 01:50:54,219
trying to give us the secrets of the

2819
01:50:59,219 --> 01:50:56,469
universe or world peace or anything like

2820
01:51:00,449 --> 01:50:59,229
that although maybe I just think it's

2821
01:51:03,270 --> 01:51:00,459
trying to make us think about ourselves

2822
01:51:04,919 --> 01:51:03,280
and come to a greater understanding and

2823
01:51:08,250 --> 01:51:04,929
awareness of our own emotions our own

2824
01:51:09,959 --> 01:51:08,260
place in the universe or on this planet

2825
01:51:12,179 --> 01:51:09,969
the people around us you know our

2826
01:51:14,339 --> 01:51:12,189
relationships with them and using

2827
01:51:16,139 --> 01:51:14,349
emotion and using that kind of stuff to

2828
01:51:18,179 --> 01:51:16,149
sort of bring things out of us that

2829
01:51:20,399 --> 01:51:18,189
maybe we didn't even know was there and

2830
01:51:22,709 --> 01:51:20,409
I can tell you I'm different now at 50

2831
01:51:24,899 --> 01:51:22,719
than I was at 40 before I started doing

2832
01:51:25,649 --> 01:51:24,909
this and I think some of that that

2833
01:51:27,899 --> 01:51:25,659
changed

2834
01:51:30,270 --> 01:51:27,909
emotionally and mentally and

2835
01:51:33,509 --> 01:51:30,280
philosophically has to do with what I've

2836
01:51:35,040 --> 01:51:33,519
experienced doing ghost cases but now

2837
01:51:36,989 --> 01:51:35,050
doing haunted and you know hanging out

2838
01:51:39,689 --> 01:51:36,999
with Holly having somebody to travel

2839
01:51:41,879 --> 01:51:39,699
with to take the journey with together I

2840
01:51:43,379 --> 01:51:41,889
can't speak for Holly but I'm pretty

2841
01:51:45,839 --> 01:51:43,389
sure that if she was here she'd tell you

2842
01:51:47,729 --> 01:51:45,849
the exact same thing that it's changed

2843
01:51:50,100 --> 01:51:47,739
her in my case for the better I think

2844
01:51:51,719 --> 01:51:50,110
and in her case for the better - I think

2845
01:51:54,029 --> 01:51:51,729
we're both better people for having gone

2846
01:51:56,040 --> 01:51:54,039
through it whatever it is and maybe

2847
01:51:58,439 --> 01:51:56,050
that's the point of it all let's go back

2848
01:52:00,810 --> 01:51:58,449
to your experiences with the first show

2849
01:52:03,270 --> 01:52:00,820
and you mentioned feeling I quitting and

2850
01:52:04,810 --> 01:52:03,280
the implication and what you said is you

2851
01:52:07,479 --> 01:52:04,820
left the fur

2852
01:52:09,879 --> 01:52:07,489
show for that reason it kind of had

2853
01:52:11,379 --> 01:52:09,889
enough for something is that true yeah

2854
01:52:13,120 --> 01:52:11,389
there's a lot to unpack there and like I

2855
01:52:15,700 --> 01:52:13,130
said some of it is business-related I

2856
01:52:17,680 --> 01:52:15,710
fell out with my co-producer it happens

2857
01:52:19,479 --> 01:52:17,690
we just saw things differently that's

2858
01:52:21,250 --> 01:52:19,489
that's where I'll leave it but there was

2859
01:52:23,800 --> 01:52:21,260
even before that happened I was also

2860
01:52:26,080 --> 01:52:23,810
starting to think you know this this is

2861
01:52:28,540 --> 01:52:26,090
like Holly and I used to joke that we

2862
01:52:30,760 --> 01:52:28,550
really needed to take a trip together to

2863
01:52:33,339 --> 01:52:30,770
do an ayahuasca purging you know with a

2864
01:52:35,410 --> 01:52:33,349
shaman in in the depths of the Amazon or

2865
01:52:38,050 --> 01:52:35,420
something like that or I have a very

2866
01:52:39,399 --> 01:52:38,060
good friend who's an Anglican priest you

2867
01:52:41,050 --> 01:52:39,409
know the Church of England or sorry not

2868
01:52:43,720 --> 01:52:41,060
Church of England Episcopalians for you

2869
01:52:46,030 --> 01:52:43,730
guys and he said look you know I know

2870
01:52:47,890 --> 01:52:46,040
folks anytime you guys need an exorcist

2871
01:52:50,430 --> 01:52:47,900
or anytime you guys need a cleansing or

2872
01:52:53,800 --> 01:52:50,440
whatever you know you probably do then

2873
01:52:56,680 --> 01:52:53,810
we can help and so you start to think

2874
01:52:57,910 --> 01:52:56,690
like wow is there something that what

2875
01:52:58,990 --> 01:52:57,920
are the implications of all this and

2876
01:53:02,109 --> 01:52:59,000
there is an element of it that's

2877
01:53:03,430 --> 01:53:02,119
frightening that if there are forces out

2878
01:53:05,620 --> 01:53:03,440
there that maybe you shouldn't be

2879
01:53:08,470 --> 01:53:05,630
messing with and I've I've experienced

2880
01:53:10,780 --> 01:53:08,480
stuff and I've met people including you

2881
01:53:13,260 --> 01:53:10,790
know my own wife who've experienced

2882
01:53:15,939 --> 01:53:13,270
things throughout their lives that seem

2883
01:53:18,069 --> 01:53:15,949
not benevolent let me put it to you like

2884
01:53:19,839 --> 01:53:18,079
that I won't say malevolent I'll just

2885
01:53:22,689 --> 01:53:19,849
say not benevolent which is to say not

2886
01:53:24,819 --> 01:53:22,699
necessarily having our best interests at

2887
01:53:26,439 --> 01:53:24,829
heart whether they mean us harm or not

2888
01:53:28,750 --> 01:53:26,449
or whether it's just we you know they

2889
01:53:30,700 --> 01:53:28,760
don't care whatever they are and we

2890
01:53:32,740 --> 01:53:30,710
might be unwilling victims or whatever

2891
01:53:34,660 --> 01:53:32,750
to whatever their plans are I don't know

2892
01:53:35,979 --> 01:53:34,670
I don't even know if any of this is all

2893
01:53:38,350 --> 01:53:35,989
real so there you go there's the

2894
01:53:40,479 --> 01:53:38,360
conundrum I'm in but yeah there's no

2895
01:53:42,609 --> 01:53:40,489
question then there was this feeling

2896
01:53:44,020 --> 01:53:42,619
like I don't want to do this anymore

2897
01:53:45,640 --> 01:53:44,030
and especially after the trip Holly and

2898
01:53:46,959 --> 01:53:45,650
I took to Europe where I had some really

2899
01:53:48,760 --> 01:53:46,969
weird stuff happened in the Czech

2900
01:53:50,200 --> 01:53:48,770
Republic I mean just stuff that I didn't

2901
01:53:51,819 --> 01:53:50,210
even tell Holly about at the time

2902
01:53:54,189 --> 01:53:51,829
because I thought you know Holly he's

2903
01:53:56,370 --> 01:53:54,199
gonna think I'm crazy and that's a guy

2904
01:53:58,990 --> 01:53:56,380
who had just spent six months

2905
01:54:00,790 --> 01:53:59,000
investigating ghosts with her thinking

2906
01:54:02,740 --> 01:54:00,800
that she would think I'm crazy because

2907
01:54:04,479 --> 01:54:02,750
of what I would tell her I had just

2908
01:54:06,790 --> 01:54:04,489
experienced in the Czech Republic and

2909
01:54:08,169 --> 01:54:06,800
she you know she was in the same not

2910
01:54:10,959 --> 01:54:08,179
there with me but she was in the same

2911
01:54:12,640 --> 01:54:10,969
town obviously so you know eventually I

2912
01:54:14,500 --> 01:54:12,650
told her I think she read in my book is

2913
01:54:16,510 --> 01:54:14,510
the first time I talked about the shadow

2914
01:54:18,290 --> 01:54:16,520
people of cesky krumlov was in was in

2915
01:54:20,839 --> 01:54:18,300
the book I finally figured yeah sure

2916
01:54:22,339 --> 01:54:20,849
not so I'm not afraid about talking

2917
01:54:24,319 --> 01:54:22,349
about any of this I don't care if I look

2918
01:54:26,750 --> 01:54:24,329
foolish or stupid the experiences were

2919
01:54:28,490 --> 01:54:26,760
real and in some cases they're they're

2920
01:54:30,560 --> 01:54:28,500
quite frightening and you don't know

2921
01:54:33,740 --> 01:54:30,570
what to make of them so leading up to

2922
01:54:35,569 --> 01:54:33,750
the current season some of its just

2923
01:54:37,609 --> 01:54:35,579
physical at 50 you know you get tired

2924
01:54:39,140 --> 01:54:37,619
after a 16-hour day it's much easier to

2925
01:54:41,240 --> 01:54:39,150
just spend your time behind the camera

2926
01:54:44,720 --> 01:54:41,250
but it's emotionally taxing it's

2927
01:54:46,220 --> 01:54:44,730
mentally taxing and you just sort of say

2928
01:54:47,930 --> 01:54:46,230
is this really what I want to do or

2929
01:54:50,899 --> 01:54:47,940
maybe this is a younger person's game

2930
01:54:52,700 --> 01:54:50,909
like Holly or Dylan and Holly prevailed

2931
01:54:53,990 --> 01:54:52,710
on me and my brother too which was weird

2932
01:54:56,330 --> 01:54:54,000
he said look you got it you and Holly

2933
01:54:59,780 --> 01:54:56,340
are you're the team you're gold which

2934
01:55:01,609 --> 01:54:59,790
was nice of him to say you know he said

2935
01:55:03,350 --> 01:55:01,619
like the show it's not that it wouldn't

2936
01:55:05,149 --> 01:55:03,360
be anything without you but it would be

2937
01:55:06,799 --> 01:55:05,159
like Robert Patrick replacing David

2938
01:55:08,569 --> 01:55:06,809
Duchovny we might get a really good guy

2939
01:55:10,339 --> 01:55:08,579
but it's there is a dynamic between

2940
01:55:11,689 --> 01:55:10,349
Holly and I and I said yeah you know

2941
01:55:13,430 --> 01:55:11,699
what I'll keep doing it as long as

2942
01:55:15,910 --> 01:55:13,440
Holly's willing to do it as long as I

2943
01:55:18,350 --> 01:55:15,920
have her with me I'm willing to do it

2944
01:55:20,089 --> 01:55:18,360
seasons I hope you're okay with that

2945
01:55:21,890 --> 01:55:20,099
we signed for three seasons afterwards

2946
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the great thing is I you know we're sign

2947
01:55:26,030 --> 01:55:24,000
for through I could leave like it it's

2948
01:55:27,649 --> 01:55:26,040
not contingent on me being part of it it

2949
01:55:30,589 --> 01:55:27,659
is contingent I think on me being a

2950
01:55:32,209 --> 01:55:30,599
producer and a director and I have to

2951
01:55:34,609 --> 01:55:32,219
earn a living so I can do those things

2952
01:55:36,979 --> 01:55:34,619
but to be in front of the camera to be

2953
01:55:38,839 --> 01:55:36,989
the guy who's experiencing it that's

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different so my business partner Ron

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01:55:42,799 --> 01:55:40,860
Foley McDonald comes over last night and

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01:55:44,330 --> 01:55:42,809
I show them the the episode where the

2957
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really good evidence something screams

2958
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at Holly there's just no other way to

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put it

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and we we can't explain it and we've

2961
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blocked we tried everything

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01:55:54,620 --> 01:55:52,770
so it's this anomalous sound that

2963
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frightened you know the pants off her

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kind of thing and Ron sitting there and

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he's watching this and I'm looking over

2966
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and and here's what I'm thinking I'm

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thinking okay is the sound mixed good

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Ron you know did I get the color grading

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right blah blah blah and he doesn't care

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he's like frightened out of his wits

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knee when he would left the office and

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he was going home he said you know I

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live alone I'm in them in my house I'm

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gonna be looking at shadows and stuff

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like that and I went well cool two

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things one good television I've edited

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this right I've created a journey within

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that half hour that is scary

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but that's not fake that's reflective of

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what actually happened so that's all

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you know that's the kind of thing that

2982
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Holly and I experienced and you know I

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don't know what to say like I'm sort of

2984
01:56:44,390 --> 01:56:41,460
at a loss for words which is kind of odd

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01:56:46,280 --> 01:56:44,400
for me but this experience has left me

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01:56:48,380 --> 01:56:46,290
it'll lost for words more than once and

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it's the kind of thing where you you

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have to have somebody with you that you

2989
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trust that is your friend I do not want

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listeners who to hear this to take this

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the wrong way that you love that you

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have that kind of friendship with as

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Holly and I do where you can pick up

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again after nine years of not really

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seeing each other and it's just like

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boom we're back at it and that kind of

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trust and love and relationship as

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friends that allows you to do that I do

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it and and I sort of have that

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ends badly for both of us I have to end

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Kimball Jean and Chris you're in attack

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really bidding good vibrato there mr.

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Kimball well it's a good something yeah

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well then one day we'll figure out what

3118
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that good something is just briefly here

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right now haunted is only seen in Canada

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or are you getting into the states with

3121
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this no it's only gonna be available in

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Canada and frankly Eastlink is a

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regional network here in Atlantic Canada

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they have affiliates throughout the

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country so eventually it'll crawl across

3126
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the country I think and you know then

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we'll try and distribute it around the

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world ghost cases for instance you can

3129
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you can watch it on Amazon and Amazon

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Prime I think Greg Bishop downloaded

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them a year ago so you know you can find

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ghost cases out there it's available and

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hopefully haunted because I'm nothing

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against ghost cases but you know the

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production values were not where I

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wanted them to be and a whole host of

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things and frankly you know what I'm not

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sure from a professional point of view

3139
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my heart was in it I wasn't doing my

3140
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best work because I came out of this

3141
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horrible feature film experience so I am

3142
02:03:06,280 --> 02:03:03,380
on the Tommo game now as just as a

3143
02:03:07,600 --> 02:03:06,290
television director and producer my last

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02:03:09,730 --> 02:03:07,610
project was a feature film that won

3145
02:03:12,370 --> 02:03:09,740
awards around the world and went into

3146
02:03:14,680 --> 02:03:12,380
festivals so I'm I'm like zoo I'm in the

3147
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zone so I'm just happier with this show

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on a whole host of levels but in

3149
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particular you know just as good

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television as creating a product that I

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think is honest but also well put

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together so I really hope it receives

3153
02:03:30,340 --> 02:03:29,600
wide distribution but that's kinda out

3154
02:03:32,140 --> 02:03:30,350
of my hands

3155
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at the moment all I can do is say it's

3156
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available in Canada or will be starting

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October 17th and then hopefully

3158
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eventually as goes cases was available

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everywhere else to a very silly question

3160
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as a director if someone came to you and

3161
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said you know what Paul we like your

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attitude

3163
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Jeff Sweden is not doing it anymore Zack

3164
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Snyder isn't Justice League free 2022

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you're ready for it that's not gonna

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happen

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but if I oh I'll tell you two things one

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I'm a huge comic book fan especially DC

3169
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Comics I'd love to I'm sure whatever

3170
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they pay you would be awesome I turned

3171
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them down I I don't have the ability to

3172
02:04:14,890 --> 02:04:12,710
do that it's not within my the abilities

3173
02:04:17,080 --> 02:04:14,900
that I have I'm an indie filmmaker so

3174
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I'm more like Ingemar Bergman or that

3175
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kind of thing I would not be prepared to

3176
02:04:23,980 --> 02:04:21,980
direct a multi multi-million dollar film

3177
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and I don't think I ever will because

3178
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it's not the kind of thing I'm

3179
02:04:29,080 --> 02:04:26,570
interested in doing I prefer smaller

3180
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crews and and different types of stories

3181
02:04:33,700 --> 02:04:31,640
I like watching those films as long as

3182
02:04:36,820 --> 02:04:33,710
Zack Snyder isn't directing them back

3183
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Snyder but you know it's it's no I'd I'd

3184
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say no you know the money's great but no

3185
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thanks I'm happy where I am so you think

3186
02:04:46,720 --> 02:04:44,240
just doing reshoots for Justice League

3187
02:04:50,200 --> 02:04:46,730
he's gonna kind of clean it up no idea

3188
02:04:53,140 --> 02:04:50,210
talented guy though unlike Snyder who is

3189
02:04:55,180 --> 02:04:53,150
a hack so hopefully maybe but I don't

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know I'll go watch it and it's either

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gonna be good like Wonder Woman or

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terrible like Batman vs Superman we'll

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see well the biggest thing the best

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thing about Matt Landry Superman was

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Wonder Woman her presence you know

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shines what do you think about the TV

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stuff before we get on with other

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business the CW TV shows you see them at

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all I do you know what it's weird if I

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was a kid if I was like 18 or 15 or 14

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and this was happening it was what we

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dreamed of back in the 70s and 80s

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when we were all kids my friends and I

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like oh if only there that a crappy

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Justice League show I think for like

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half a season or something

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and it you know wow this is awesome and

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yet here's the thing sometimes be

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careful what you wish for so I watched

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arrow for a couple years and then I the

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one that was really good was flash I

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thought the first season or two was and

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was really well done

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but then that started to bog down

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daredevil the first season of daredevil

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on Netflix was some of the best

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television I've ever seen Vincent

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D'Onofrio is the kingpin was amazing

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Charlie Cox was amazing and yet you know

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what most of the other Netflix offerings

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Jessica Jones was really good to have

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been underwhelming the defenders series

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was terrible I mean just terrible so

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it's a mixed bag and I don't watch as

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02:06:15,250 --> 02:06:12,830
much of the CW stuff I'll still tune in

3226
02:06:17,620 --> 02:06:15,260
to the flash a bit but and I do watch

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the Netflix stuff iron fist I even

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watched iron fist but that was kind of

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stretch the iron fist was not quite as

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good as the others know there are things

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I would do differently with all of them

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I think the one that's a real success

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has been daredevil that's the one that

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you know you sort of look at and go yep

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that one they got right and Jessica

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Jones those are the two and the first

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02:06:39,939 --> 02:06:37,909
two seasons of the flash everything else

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02:06:43,680 --> 02:06:39,949
yeah not really for me

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02:06:47,410 --> 02:06:43,690
I kind of like the musical version of

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flash called duets don't know if you saw

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that because all these people who are on

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these shows of Broadway stars or from

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Glee or something so they're all good at

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02:06:58,000 --> 02:06:55,790
singing the reviews for that episode

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02:07:00,879 --> 02:06:58,010
were awesome because he did Supergirl -

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02:07:03,459 --> 02:07:00,889
ready duets with Supergirl girl also is

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02:07:07,060 --> 02:07:03,469
a pretty good singer but Grant Gustin is

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like watching a young Dick Van Dyke he

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has that kind of dance attitude he's the

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02:07:13,390 --> 02:07:12,020
guy plays flash cool then then my thing

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02:07:14,590 --> 02:07:13,400
is put him in a show where he can be a

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young Dick Van Dyke

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02:07:17,620 --> 02:07:15,860
but if he's playing Barry Allen the

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02:07:21,189 --> 02:07:17,630
flash I don't want to see him sing I

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02:07:26,050 --> 02:07:21,199
want to see him be the flash so I they

3256
02:07:27,390 --> 02:07:26,060
have musical superhero shows one episode

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02:07:30,820 --> 02:07:27,400
and the reason they did it is because

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everybody on there was a Broadway star

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you had like Victor Garber of course

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we're familiar with

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and the Jesse L Martin from Law & Order

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who also appeared in the original

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Broadway cast of rent and you have

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Jeremy Jordan from Supergirl who's a

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Tony Award winning actor that's why you

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did it because they're all singers and

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they decide to exploit that that's get

3268
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away from the superheroes yeah don't

3269
02:07:58,070 --> 02:07:52,920
take this wrong but man that sure sounds

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gay musicals I mean not everybody has to

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be gay musicals superheroes it's like I

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love musicals when Holly and I were in

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London we went to five musicals in four

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days we saw two in one day love him love

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him love him love him don't want to see

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02:08:16,790 --> 02:08:15,090
it on a superhero show okay with

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02:08:19,760 --> 02:08:16,800
musicals I mean I have my other

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preferences but you know I've gone and

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seen you know the odd musical when I was

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in New York and that sounds odd the way

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you say it sounds I now remember one

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02:08:30,470 --> 02:08:27,870
thing too

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when we live in New York my wife was a

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singer and therefore we'd see that I

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just give you one final thing watching

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the music from there wrote one song for

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Grant Gustin and duets with the clothes

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where he proposes to iris West and that

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he sings a song from those people that's

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all I think it's worth watching let's

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get back to ghosts and weird stuff and

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all that now I'd like to look at the

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stuff that made you want to quit Oh like

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in the first season of the other show

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and you implied some real big stuff

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what's going on as you're filming just

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very recently can you give us some more

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details on what happened oh sure

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well here's here's the the Queens County

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so much to unpack in that one but I went

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in the season and first time I've been

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we discuss the musicals by the way there

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3451
02:15:49,850 --> 02:15:48,000
fill in the blank and bang bang bang and

3452
02:15:52,100 --> 02:15:49,860
it was it was there's a light that never

3453
02:15:54,490 --> 02:15:52,110
goes out they said Mac told me to play

3454
02:15:56,930 --> 02:15:54,500
it and the waltz

3455
02:15:58,010 --> 02:15:56,940
Walter was laughing his head off so

3456
02:15:59,180 --> 02:15:58,020
anyway there we are we're sitting you

3457
02:16:01,190 --> 02:15:59,190
know there is a light that never goes

3458
02:16:03,920 --> 02:16:01,200
out and it's all about dying in a 10-ton

3459
02:16:06,740 --> 02:16:03,930
bus killed the both of us and we made

3460
02:16:08,450 --> 02:16:06,750
this Harry Houdini like packed which is

3461
02:16:10,070 --> 02:16:08,460
whoever would go first and I thought it

3462
02:16:11,600 --> 02:16:10,080
would be me for a host of reasons not

3463
02:16:14,330 --> 02:16:11,610
the least of which is I was older than

3464
02:16:16,940 --> 02:16:14,340
back you know they'll come back if you

3465
02:16:19,630 --> 02:16:16,950
can come back they'll come back try and

3466
02:16:23,210 --> 02:16:19,640
make contact kind of thing so Mac died

3467
02:16:25,910 --> 02:16:23,220
just after ghost cases started filming

3468
02:16:28,250 --> 02:16:25,920
so when I shot ghost cases I would have

3469
02:16:30,170 --> 02:16:28,260
done this back then but he was still

3470
02:16:32,000 --> 02:16:30,180
alive and he passed away a couple of

3471
02:16:34,459 --> 02:16:32,010
weeks after our first episode aired and

3472
02:16:36,260 --> 02:16:34,469
that I have to admit that that there was

3473
02:16:39,200 --> 02:16:36,270
a little bit of that that got me out of

3474
02:16:41,990 --> 02:16:39,210
the ghost thing too long story you know

3475
02:16:44,030 --> 02:16:42,000
I was really depressed at that there's

3476
02:16:46,400 --> 02:16:44,040
no other way to put it so flash forward

3477
02:16:48,740 --> 02:16:46,410
and I sigh frankly I just go in and I

3478
02:16:50,450 --> 02:16:48,750
say look I don't care what I didn't

3479
02:16:52,940 --> 02:16:50,460
quite say like this but I don't care

3480
02:16:54,950 --> 02:16:52,950
what ghosts might be here this is where

3481
02:16:57,770 --> 02:16:54,960
I'm I'm back ghost hunting and I'm gonna

3482
02:16:58,850 --> 02:16:57,780
call in my chit with Mac this is my bet

3483
02:17:01,459 --> 02:16:58,860
the bet that we made

3484
02:17:02,060 --> 02:17:01,469
I took zorg rod for anybody who knows my

3485
02:17:04,580 --> 02:17:02,070
stuff

3486
02:17:07,400 --> 02:17:04,590
alien duck that I'm from a planet that I

3487
02:17:09,260 --> 02:17:07,410
can't name for security reasons and Mac

3488
02:17:11,180 --> 02:17:09,270
was a big fan of Sora we traveled with

3489
02:17:12,980 --> 02:17:11,190
them whatever and I said look I'm gonna

3490
02:17:15,650 --> 02:17:12,990
put zorg right on top of a mannequin

3491
02:17:16,700 --> 02:17:15,660
because Mac loved mannequins and being a

3492
02:17:18,459 --> 02:17:16,710
museum they had a bunch of these

3493
02:17:20,750 --> 02:17:18,469
mannequins up in the storage area and

3494
02:17:23,180 --> 02:17:20,760
Mac if you are out there in the gray

3495
02:17:24,890 --> 02:17:23,190
white open come on down I'm inviting you

3496
02:17:26,930 --> 02:17:24,900
down this is where we this is where we

3497
02:17:28,640 --> 02:17:26,940
do the Bette thing right so push the

3498
02:17:30,860 --> 02:17:28,650
duck off the mannequin or do something

3499
02:17:33,080 --> 02:17:30,870
so I'm upstairs in what they called the

3500
02:17:34,490 --> 02:17:33,090
void which was an archive room and if

3501
02:17:36,200 --> 02:17:34,500
you turn the lights up it was a void you

3502
02:17:38,600 --> 02:17:36,210
couldn't see like two inches in front of

3503
02:17:40,310 --> 02:17:38,610
your face so the void wasn't referring

3504
02:17:41,719 --> 02:17:40,320
to anything paranormal it's just you

3505
02:17:43,310 --> 02:17:41,729
couldn't see anything but they had had

3506
02:17:44,990 --> 02:17:43,320
reports of all sorts of paranormal

3507
02:17:46,430 --> 02:17:45,000
activity up there Holly was at the

3508
02:17:48,560 --> 02:17:46,440
bottom of the stairs leading up to the

3509
02:17:50,509 --> 02:17:48,570
void I couldn't see her and Kim Bennett

3510
02:17:52,490 --> 02:17:50,519
who was somebody we had for the first

3511
02:17:55,520 --> 02:17:52,500
few episodes of the show just kind of a

3512
02:17:58,490 --> 02:17:55,530
friend who came along she was out in the

3513
02:18:00,169 --> 02:17:58,500
room just past the stairwell so there

3514
02:18:02,209 --> 02:18:00,179
you go and she had the REM pod now if

3515
02:18:03,560 --> 02:18:02,219
anybody knows what a REM pod is you can

3516
02:18:06,320 --> 02:18:03,570
see it on Ghost Adventures or whatever

3517
02:18:08,509 --> 02:18:06,330
and among other things it light up if

3518
02:18:10,310 --> 02:18:08,519
somebody moves around it it has a

3519
02:18:11,959 --> 02:18:10,320
temperature gauge and if the temperature

3520
02:18:13,400 --> 02:18:11,969
changes it'll go red for temperature

3521
02:18:15,049 --> 02:18:13,410
going up or blue for temperature going

3522
02:18:17,870 --> 02:18:15,059
down but and they'll make a little

3523
02:18:20,150 --> 02:18:17,880
beep-beep but it's not supposed to keep

3524
02:18:24,620 --> 02:18:20,160
the blue on or the red on and just keep

3525
02:18:26,810 --> 02:18:24,630
going B anyway I'm up in the attic and I

3526
02:18:28,310 --> 02:18:26,820
say Mac's name you know I'm up here and

3527
02:18:30,169 --> 02:18:28,320
I'm gonna do this thing with Mac Tony's

3528
02:18:33,290 --> 02:18:30,179
and Holly knew Mac she had met him and

3529
02:18:36,140 --> 02:18:33,300
as soon as I said that I didn't hear it

3530
02:18:39,140 --> 02:18:36,150
but downstairs the blue light on the REM

3531
02:18:40,669 --> 02:18:39,150
pod came on and I started going B and so

3532
02:18:42,200 --> 02:18:40,679
Holly waits a bit and then she calls up

3533
02:18:42,919 --> 02:18:42,210
she doesn't want to ruin the shot we're

3534
02:18:44,959 --> 02:18:42,929
professionals

3535
02:18:46,700 --> 02:18:44,969
and she calls up and she says Paul when

3536
02:18:49,190 --> 02:18:46,710
she realizes I'm done my setup for that

3537
02:18:51,740 --> 02:18:49,200
segment and I go yeah and Dylan's still

3538
02:18:54,830 --> 02:18:51,750
filming and she says look as soon as you

3539
02:18:57,110 --> 02:18:54,840
said Mac's name the REM pod down here

3540
02:18:58,580 --> 02:18:57,120
kicked off it like it started beeping

3541
02:18:59,959 --> 02:18:58,590
and it's been going ever since no I'm

3542
02:19:01,910 --> 02:18:59,969
okay well that's weird and I'm really

3543
02:19:03,259 --> 02:19:01,920
shortening this up so I go down a walk

3544
02:19:04,700 --> 02:19:03,269
past Holly I walk in and sure enough

3545
02:19:07,009 --> 02:19:04,710
there's Kim sitting there in this

3546
02:19:10,430 --> 02:19:07,019
darkened room with it and there's little

3547
02:19:11,839 --> 02:19:10,440
blue light on it that is going beep and

3548
02:19:14,810 --> 02:19:11,849
so it's making the noise and this blue

3549
02:19:17,180 --> 02:19:14,820
light is coming on so I walk over and I

3550
02:19:19,490 --> 02:19:17,190
go sure I'm gonna double down on this

3551
02:19:21,680 --> 02:19:19,500
Mac if you're there if this is Mac

3552
02:19:24,540 --> 02:19:21,690
trying to communicate with me stop

3553
02:19:27,149 --> 02:19:24,550
beeping stops beeping and

3554
02:19:28,200 --> 02:19:27,159
here's the really short story so I kind

3555
02:19:31,700 --> 02:19:28,210
of had a five or ten minute conversation

3556
02:19:34,049 --> 02:19:31,710
with I don't know maybe it was Mack but

3557
02:19:35,700 --> 02:19:34,059
interacting with this and whatever's out

3558
02:19:37,649 --> 02:19:35,710
there was I kind of compared it to the

3559
02:19:39,569 --> 02:19:37,659
episode of Star Trek where Captain Pike

3560
02:19:41,099 --> 02:19:39,579
in the original series is he's horribly

3561
02:19:42,870 --> 02:19:41,109
disfigured and he can only answer with

3562
02:19:45,240 --> 02:19:42,880
one beat for yes and two beeps for no

3563
02:19:48,149 --> 02:19:45,250
and that's kind of how I was playing it

3564
02:19:50,729 --> 02:19:48,159
and that's kind of what I was getting so

3565
02:19:51,990 --> 02:19:50,739
I will tell you a couple of things about

3566
02:19:54,389 --> 02:19:52,000
this and then a whole bunch of other

3567
02:19:56,340 --> 02:19:54,399
stuff unrelated to that happened later

3568
02:19:59,429 --> 02:19:56,350
in the night there so here's a couple of

3569
02:20:02,670 --> 02:19:59,439
takeaways one the REM pod has never

3570
02:20:04,439 --> 02:20:02,680
behaved like that anywhere else other

3571
02:20:05,880 --> 02:20:04,449
than that place I didn't do any more hey

3572
02:20:08,099 --> 02:20:05,890
Mack are you out there kind of things

3573
02:20:09,630 --> 02:20:08,109
that's the only place that did that it

3574
02:20:11,429 --> 02:20:09,640
was we checked the REM pod it wasn't a

3575
02:20:14,550 --> 02:20:11,439
battery issue it wasn't anything this

3576
02:20:16,769 --> 02:20:14,560
was unique to that location and the

3577
02:20:18,899 --> 02:20:16,779
other really weird thing is this so this

3578
02:20:20,010 --> 02:20:18,909
was back in April the East Coast para

3579
02:20:22,859 --> 02:20:20,020
conference I've done it for the last

3580
02:20:24,899 --> 02:20:22,869
three years it's in Liverpool it's run

3581
02:20:26,219 --> 02:20:24,909
by Linda Rafe use and others there and

3582
02:20:28,139 --> 02:20:26,229
she as I mentioned earlier as the

3583
02:20:30,929 --> 02:20:28,149
director of that particular museum and

3584
02:20:32,670 --> 02:20:30,939
they do sort of ghost nights during the

3585
02:20:34,439 --> 02:20:32,680
pair of conference hey so you hear Paul

3586
02:20:36,389 --> 02:20:34,449
Campbell of Myka Hanks and and Ryan

3587
02:20:37,950 --> 02:20:36,399
Sprague and Greg Bishop speak and then

3588
02:20:40,170 --> 02:20:37,960
tonight you can come to the Queen's

3589
02:20:42,479 --> 02:20:40,180
County Museum and we'll do a ghost hunt

3590
02:20:45,630 --> 02:20:42,489
and I wound up leading one of those

3591
02:20:47,099 --> 02:20:45,640
ghost hunts or ghost investigations this

3592
02:20:48,960 --> 02:20:47,109
year and we took our gear down

3593
02:20:51,300 --> 02:20:48,970
Dylan was there that that's important

3594
02:20:53,309 --> 02:20:51,310
Dylan Garland was there my cameraman and

3595
02:20:54,809 --> 02:20:53,319
he had been there filming me of course

3596
02:20:56,660 --> 02:20:54,819
when I was doing this Mack Toni's thing

3597
02:20:58,729 --> 02:20:56,670
haven't had anything like that happen

3598
02:21:01,620 --> 02:20:58,739
since it had been several months

3599
02:21:03,889 --> 02:21:01,630
everybody else left sat down and I just

3600
02:21:08,040 --> 02:21:03,899
said you know what got the rem-pod here

3601
02:21:11,609 --> 02:21:08,050
same room I'm gonna try this again hey

3602
02:21:14,099 --> 02:21:11,619
Mack are you out there beep and the blue

3603
02:21:16,439 --> 02:21:14,109
light comes on and won't turn off I go

3604
02:21:18,569 --> 02:21:16,449
Dylan because he's in a different room I

3605
02:21:21,719 --> 02:21:18,579
was alone I said Doan you're the only

3606
02:21:23,700 --> 02:21:21,729
person here who will understand this you

3607
02:21:24,389 --> 02:21:23,710
know so he comes running in I can't tell

3608
02:21:26,760 --> 02:21:24,399
you what he said

3609
02:21:28,529 --> 02:21:26,770
cuz I assume you guys are PG rated but

3610
02:21:31,649 --> 02:21:28,539
he uttered a few profanities that might

3611
02:21:34,529 --> 02:21:31,659
rhyme with truck and it's like holy like

3612
02:21:35,670 --> 02:21:34,539
this had not happened ever again let me

3613
02:21:37,600 --> 02:21:35,680
stop for a second because it's very

3614
02:21:40,120 --> 02:21:37,610
interesting what we could do here

3615
02:21:42,070 --> 02:21:40,130
is reconvene and have more stuff on

3616
02:21:46,511 --> 02:21:42,080
after the power cast where there is no

3617
02:21:48,070 --> 02:21:46,521
censorship no FCC to block this so that

3618
02:21:50,740 --> 02:21:48,080
could be a good promotion let's go on

3619
02:21:52,660 --> 02:21:50,750
sure so I'll finish the story because

3620
02:21:54,970 --> 02:21:52,670
Greg was there Ryan Sprague was there

3621
02:21:56,501 --> 02:21:54,980
too and Micah Hanks because they were

3622
02:21:57,461 --> 02:21:56,511
all speaking and we'd all gone and there

3623
02:22:00,220 --> 02:21:57,471
were a whole bunch of other people too

3624
02:22:02,110 --> 02:22:00,230
so Greg eventually also want to max best

3625
02:22:03,940 --> 02:22:02,120
friends wanders him you know what's

3626
02:22:06,160 --> 02:22:03,950
going on Ryan had come in first and

3627
02:22:08,020 --> 02:22:06,170
Ryan's mind was blown cuz I explained to

3628
02:22:09,430 --> 02:22:08,030
him you know the circumstances of why

3629
02:22:12,341 --> 02:22:09,440
this was happening he's good oh my god

3630
02:22:14,291 --> 02:22:12,351
you know is Mac here kind of thing and I

3631
02:22:16,060 --> 02:22:14,301
do the QA thing again and it seems to be

3632
02:22:19,450 --> 02:22:16,070
interacting Greg comes in and Greg's

3633
02:22:21,461 --> 02:22:19,460
very skeptical he believes me and Dylan

3634
02:22:24,551 --> 02:22:21,471
that this had happened to us but he's

3635
02:22:27,730 --> 02:22:24,561
he's skeptical of the Mac Tony's thing

3636
02:22:29,620 --> 02:22:27,740
but open-minded and then one of us and I

3637
02:22:30,940 --> 02:22:29,630
can't remember who I think it was me but

3638
02:22:32,831 --> 02:22:30,950
it might have been Dylan said look and

3639
02:22:34,810 --> 02:22:32,841
everybody else had left it was just me

3640
02:22:36,820 --> 02:22:34,820
Greg and Dylan Ryan had wandered off to

3641
02:22:39,400 --> 02:22:36,830
do something else and we were closing

3642
02:22:41,470 --> 02:22:39,410
down the night or Dylan said look let's

3643
02:22:43,810 --> 02:22:41,480
go up to the void that archive room

3644
02:22:45,581 --> 02:22:43,820
where the mannequins are and see if we

3645
02:22:46,961 --> 02:22:45,591
can get anything up there and the

3646
02:22:48,551 --> 02:22:46,971
rem-pod had stopped beeping by then

3647
02:22:50,610 --> 02:22:48,561
because we'd stopped trying to interact

3648
02:22:53,081 --> 02:22:50,620
with it so we take it up with us and

3649
02:22:55,990 --> 02:22:53,091
we're just standing there and I'm I

3650
02:22:57,761 --> 02:22:56,000
filmed this with my iPad and I am so

3651
02:23:01,810 --> 02:22:57,771
glad I did because nobody would believe

3652
02:23:03,730 --> 02:23:01,820
us if we told you this but we have it

3653
02:23:05,320 --> 02:23:03,740
here it is on camera now have Greg

3654
02:23:07,270 --> 02:23:05,330
Bishop on and ask him about this I

3655
02:23:10,570 --> 02:23:07,280
actually think this blue Greg's mind

3656
02:23:12,700 --> 02:23:10,580
like I did I've known Greg for years

3657
02:23:15,490 --> 02:23:12,710
dear friend I've never really seen him

3658
02:23:16,270 --> 02:23:15,500
flustered this flustered him so Dylan is

3659
02:23:18,671 --> 02:23:16,280
holding the rem-pod

3660
02:23:21,041 --> 02:23:18,681
we're standing next to a mannequin Dylan

3661
02:23:22,570 --> 02:23:21,051
knows about max love of mannequins and

3662
02:23:25,331 --> 02:23:22,580
is interest in them you know as if

3663
02:23:27,131 --> 02:23:25,341
as a hobby whatever he reaches out he

3664
02:23:28,541 --> 02:23:27,141
takes it he sticks it because the

3665
02:23:30,131 --> 02:23:28,551
mannequin doesn't have a head so the

3666
02:23:31,060 --> 02:23:30,141
heads it's their headless mannequins so

3667
02:23:33,160 --> 02:23:31,070
there's a place you could put the

3668
02:23:35,440 --> 02:23:33,170
rem-pod shits perfectly on it like it's

3669
02:23:37,270 --> 02:23:35,450
snug as a bug puts it on top of the REM

3670
02:23:40,060 --> 02:23:37,280
pod or sorry on top of the mannequin and

3671
02:23:43,870 --> 02:23:40,070
the thing goes beep with this blue light

3672
02:23:45,850 --> 02:23:43,880
and we're all like whoa and Greg said

3673
02:23:47,980 --> 02:23:45,860
something along the lines of and I'll

3674
02:23:50,291 --> 02:23:47,990
post this clip on the para cast you know

3675
02:23:51,490 --> 02:23:50,301
what gene I'm all about helping out I'll

3676
02:23:53,380 --> 02:23:51,500
send this to

3677
02:23:55,570 --> 02:23:53,390
you and you stick it up in the members

3678
02:23:57,280 --> 02:23:55,580
only part so here's a bonus for you

3679
02:23:59,430 --> 02:23:57,290
folks you'll be able to see this Greg

3680
02:24:02,290 --> 02:23:59,440
Bishop Dylan Garland and Paul Kimball

3681
02:24:04,840 --> 02:24:02,300
and I think it was Gregor maybe Dylan

3682
02:24:05,890 --> 02:24:04,850
somebody said look take it off and see

3683
02:24:08,890 --> 02:24:05,900
what happens if it's not on the

3684
02:24:12,040 --> 02:24:08,900
mannequin and Dylan takes it off and it

3685
02:24:14,740 --> 02:24:12,050
immediately stops let's do our break

3686
02:24:17,650 --> 02:24:14,750
here sure it stops and therefore we have

3687
02:24:29,980 --> 02:24:17,660
to stop reconvene with gene and Chris

3688
02:24:32,920 --> 02:24:29,990
and Paul you're in the biggest thank you

3689
02:24:37,210 --> 02:24:32,930
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02:29:11,310 --> 02:29:09,311
everything stops here's the scene the

3794
02:29:13,410 --> 02:29:11,320
tension rises I'm just making you that

3795
02:29:14,820 --> 02:29:13,420
up that's pretty accurate oh is it you

3796
02:29:17,040 --> 02:29:14,830
see I just made it up but I was right

3797
02:29:19,020 --> 02:29:17,050
this is the first time in years yeah

3798
02:29:21,390 --> 02:29:19,030
Greg who's skeptical of the ghost thing

3799
02:29:23,100 --> 02:29:21,400
ask him you know I think mind-blown kind

3800
02:29:26,490 --> 02:29:23,110
of thing I think he was a little shaken

3801
02:29:28,410 --> 02:29:26,500
and I sure was and even you know Dylan

3802
02:29:30,330 --> 02:29:28,420
was pretty shaken too and we kind of it

3803
02:29:33,060 --> 02:29:30,340
was a fun shaken though not a frightened

3804
02:29:36,060 --> 02:29:33,070
shaken it was like wow you know crazy

3805
02:29:37,140 --> 02:29:36,070
and then it was we left like that you

3806
02:29:39,600 --> 02:29:37,150
know at some point you just kind of

3807
02:29:42,360 --> 02:29:39,610
closed it down but I think we kind of

3808
02:29:44,580 --> 02:29:42,370
left thinking one of three things total

3809
02:29:46,890 --> 02:29:44,590
coincidence equipment malfunction that

3810
02:29:48,270 --> 02:29:46,900
seems to be happening only at this one

3811
02:29:49,711 --> 02:29:48,280
place because it functions perfectly

3812
02:29:52,440 --> 02:29:49,721
well and had earlier in the day

3813
02:29:54,511 --> 02:29:52,450
elsewhere at every other location okay

3814
02:29:56,220 --> 02:29:54,521
maybe that's true I call that the land

3815
02:29:58,290 --> 02:29:56,230
smoothie explanation the other

3816
02:30:01,110 --> 02:29:58,300
possibility maybe it really was Mac

3817
02:30:02,940 --> 02:30:01,120
maybe you could call out to him maybe

3818
02:30:04,381 --> 02:30:02,950
he's out there you know the bet we made

3819
02:30:05,881 --> 02:30:04,391
all those years ago we're not bad I

3820
02:30:08,100 --> 02:30:05,891
guess but whatever you want to call it

3821
02:30:10,551 --> 02:30:08,110
vow or something like that he paid off

3822
02:30:13,591 --> 02:30:10,561
like he said cool you asked I came or

3823
02:30:16,890 --> 02:30:13,601
third possibility maybe the more likely

3824
02:30:19,740 --> 02:30:16,900
one is that something was pretending to

3825
02:30:21,211 --> 02:30:19,750
be Mac interacting with us because we

3826
02:30:23,251 --> 02:30:21,221
had open the door and said okay I'm

3827
02:30:26,100 --> 02:30:23,261
gonna play for good reasons or bad I

3828
02:30:27,690 --> 02:30:26,110
don't know I'm gonna pretend on this Mac

3829
02:30:30,230 --> 02:30:27,700
Tony's guy that you guys all seem to

3830
02:30:32,730 --> 02:30:30,240
like those to me are the only three

3831
02:30:34,801 --> 02:30:32,740
possibilities Occam's razor

3832
02:30:36,150 --> 02:30:34,811
ghosts we're putting that on a t-shirt

3833
02:30:40,350 --> 02:30:36,160
that's one of our slogans Occam's razor

3834
02:30:42,360 --> 02:30:40,360
ghosts but we all left all three of us

3835
02:30:44,610 --> 02:30:42,370
Dylan went in a hardcore skeptic for him

3836
02:30:46,801 --> 02:30:44,620
it was just a gig and all three of us

3837
02:30:48,211 --> 02:30:46,811
when Dylan I finished the first season

3838
02:30:50,220 --> 02:30:48,221
till and said yeah my view of this has

3839
02:30:52,320 --> 02:30:50,230
changed and I think Greg's view of it

3840
02:30:53,850 --> 02:30:52,330
might have changed a bit too after after

3841
02:30:55,639 --> 02:30:53,860
our experience in the Queens County

3842
02:30:57,979 --> 02:30:55,649
Museum at the Perekop

3843
02:30:59,960 --> 02:30:57,989
you'd have to ask greg to be sure did we

3844
02:31:02,090 --> 02:30:59,970
run into mac Tony's I don't know I'd

3845
02:31:04,309 --> 02:31:02,100
like to think so but you know maybe we

3846
02:31:05,840 --> 02:31:04,319
ran into something else but it was

3847
02:31:08,030 --> 02:31:05,850
definitely one of those things where you

3848
02:31:10,340 --> 02:31:08,040
know I can't find an explanation for it

3849
02:31:12,500 --> 02:31:10,350
that satisfies the skeptical part of my

3850
02:31:14,660 --> 02:31:12,510
mind well this is you know very

3851
02:31:17,450 --> 02:31:14,670
interesting how things like that happen

3852
02:31:20,450 --> 02:31:17,460
when you kind of open the door for them

3853
02:31:22,219 --> 02:31:20,460
which is kind of what you did here right

3854
02:31:25,280 --> 02:31:22,229
of course you have no guarantee and it's

3855
02:31:27,260 --> 02:31:25,290
obvious that this is Mac Tony's kind of

3856
02:31:30,620 --> 02:31:27,270
keeping tabs on you it could be

3857
02:31:32,240 --> 02:31:30,630
something else it could be just you know

3858
02:31:34,099 --> 02:31:32,250
some kind of schtick going on I don't

3859
02:31:35,929 --> 02:31:34,109
know I'm kind of looking at it now

3860
02:31:37,490 --> 02:31:35,939
because it's still sitting on my iPad I

3861
02:31:39,530 --> 02:31:37,500
don't have the sound playing but I'm

3862
02:31:40,910 --> 02:31:39,540
looking at the video when the blue light

3863
02:31:43,160 --> 02:31:40,920
goes on as soon as he puts it on the

3864
02:31:45,769 --> 02:31:43,170
mannequin you know you can just hear

3865
02:31:48,769 --> 02:31:45,779
three guys go oh you know that kind of

3866
02:31:50,750 --> 02:31:48,779
like wow and maybe it is a coincidence I

3867
02:31:53,300 --> 02:31:50,760
don't know maybe we see what we want to

3868
02:31:55,849 --> 02:31:53,310
see except there's this thing going off

3869
02:31:57,620 --> 02:31:55,859
in a place it the only time it ever

3870
02:32:00,349 --> 02:31:57,630
happens is when we did the Mac Tonys

3871
02:32:02,960 --> 02:32:00,359
thing for lack of a better term in this

3872
02:32:05,359 --> 02:32:02,970
one location so that's a pretty big

3873
02:32:08,269 --> 02:32:05,369
coincidence to me doesn't mean it isn't

3874
02:32:11,149 --> 02:32:08,279
but that seems to be the least likely

3875
02:32:13,120 --> 02:32:11,159
answer actually and the more likely

3876
02:32:15,410 --> 02:32:13,130
answer is maybe something was trying to

3877
02:32:17,750 --> 02:32:15,420
to interact with us and maybe even

3878
02:32:19,580 --> 02:32:17,760
someone maybe Mac I don't know but I'd

3879
02:32:22,609 --> 02:32:19,590
like to think so on the other hand who

3880
02:32:24,460 --> 02:32:22,619
could be all of you having this energy

3881
02:32:26,780 --> 02:32:24,470
because the way you cared for Mac

3882
02:32:29,750 --> 02:32:26,790
created a circumstance where this

3883
02:32:31,670 --> 02:32:29,760
happened sure possible that's cool -

3884
02:32:34,040 --> 02:32:31,680
that's an interesting sort of thought as

3885
02:32:36,080 --> 02:32:34,050
well your collective unconscious gave

3886
02:32:39,290 --> 02:32:36,090
you what you want but that also creates

3887
02:32:41,660 --> 02:32:39,300
another possibility for all the

3888
02:32:44,840 --> 02:32:41,670
paranormal things we see whether it's a

3889
02:32:47,689 --> 02:32:44,850
ghost whether maybe UFOs

3890
02:32:50,260 --> 02:32:47,699
we create them Greg would just love

3891
02:32:54,070 --> 02:32:50,270
hearing you say that and I I couldn't

3892
02:32:58,070 --> 02:32:54,080
actually disagree there is a co-creative

3893
02:33:01,250 --> 02:32:58,080
process I think underlying many if not

3894
02:33:04,460 --> 02:33:01,260
most of these types of paranormal events

3895
02:33:06,859 --> 02:33:04,470
I agree Wow okay there we go we're all

3896
02:33:07,429 --> 02:33:06,869
in agreement okay well you can end the

3897
02:33:10,069 --> 02:33:07,439
show

3898
02:33:12,920 --> 02:33:10,079
because when this happens well I don't

3899
02:33:15,050 --> 02:33:12,930
know but then again all that's telling

3900
02:33:17,330 --> 02:33:15,060
us is that there are a lot of strange

3901
02:33:19,729 --> 02:33:17,340
things that are happening and we don't

3902
02:33:22,040 --> 02:33:19,739
even begin to understand the powers of

3903
02:33:24,019 --> 02:33:22,050
the human mind the human conscious the

3904
02:33:27,439 --> 02:33:24,029
collective unconscious any of the stuff

3905
02:33:30,949 --> 02:33:27,449
so any of us who've had desynchronize

3906
02:33:34,069 --> 02:33:30,959
our consensus or just escaping a

3907
02:33:37,489 --> 02:33:34,079
nightmare a disaster can go back and say

3908
02:33:40,880 --> 02:33:37,499
did we do that did that happen to us was

3909
02:33:43,729 --> 02:33:40,890
as a shared experience what well the

3910
02:33:47,059 --> 02:33:43,739
funny thing is a lot of this has caused

3911
02:33:48,410 --> 02:33:47,069
me to reassess some of the things that I

3912
02:33:50,599 --> 02:33:48,420
had thought about elements of the

3913
02:33:54,010 --> 02:33:50,609
paranormal particularly ufology and

3914
02:33:58,849 --> 02:33:54,020
particularly certain ufologists so I've

3915
02:34:01,189 --> 02:33:58,859
become a much I won't say a fan but I'd

3916
02:34:02,660 --> 02:34:01,199
become much more open to the point of I

3917
02:34:06,019 --> 02:34:02,670
think really believing what they're

3918
02:34:09,050 --> 02:34:06,029
saying billy meier Steve Grier wow I'm

3919
02:34:10,580 --> 02:34:09,060
totally in with Steve Grier now okay

3920
02:34:12,170 --> 02:34:10,590
sorry I can't keep a straight face there

3921
02:34:13,849 --> 02:34:12,180
you go that's that's not true

3922
02:34:16,519 --> 02:34:13,859
but somebody can take that as a quote

3923
02:34:18,170 --> 02:34:16,529
out of context and use it against me

3924
02:34:21,349 --> 02:34:18,180
down the road no those guys are still

3925
02:34:24,139 --> 02:34:21,359
crazy the sad part is that they take

3926
02:34:27,559 --> 02:34:24,149
advantage of what I think is a real

3927
02:34:29,779 --> 02:34:27,569
phenomenon I think maybe Meyer and Greer

3928
02:34:32,960 --> 02:34:29,789
and people like that they are the worst

3929
02:34:35,899 --> 02:34:32,970
kind of hucksters like Sean David Morton

3930
02:34:41,059 --> 02:34:35,909
they use people's interest in a subject

3931
02:34:42,170 --> 02:34:41,069
their desire to know to learn many for

3932
02:34:44,630 --> 02:34:42,180
the people that they take advantage of

3933
02:34:47,210 --> 02:34:44,640
their desperation really to know to

3934
02:34:49,750 --> 02:34:47,220
learn and they twist it in the most

3935
02:34:53,510 --> 02:34:49,760
egregious ways and it's such a personal

3936
02:34:55,639 --> 02:34:53,520
violation that they're not just like

3937
02:34:57,380 --> 02:34:55,649
your run-of-the-mill hoax or like you

3938
02:34:59,899 --> 02:34:57,390
know say somebody wants to hoax a UFO

3939
02:35:02,420 --> 02:34:59,909
photo for money that you know fine

3940
02:35:07,010 --> 02:35:02,430
I'm not saying fine but yeah relatively

3941
02:35:08,840 --> 02:35:07,020
low rent these guys are deeply wounding

3942
02:35:11,929 --> 02:35:08,850
people in the most personal way and

3943
02:35:13,210 --> 02:35:11,939
doing the greatest to service to what I

3944
02:35:15,590 --> 02:35:13,220
think is actually a real phenomenon

3945
02:35:17,239 --> 02:35:15,600
that's what really offends me about it

3946
02:35:19,429 --> 02:35:17,249
because I go out there and I have these

3947
02:35:21,560 --> 02:35:19,439
experiences and I talked to real people

3948
02:35:24,430 --> 02:35:21,570
who have real experiences them

3949
02:35:28,040 --> 02:35:24,440
and I go I think this there's something

3950
02:35:30,710 --> 02:35:28,050
profound here at work and you guys are

3951
02:35:35,090 --> 02:35:30,720
ruining it for everyone yes thank you

3952
02:35:38,060 --> 02:35:35,100
Paul really thank you so much for saying

3953
02:35:41,450 --> 02:35:38,070
that David Wilcock Corey good Pete

3954
02:35:43,610 --> 02:35:41,460
Peterson and burisch I mean you go down

3955
02:35:46,400 --> 02:35:43,620
the list the people that are there not

3956
02:35:48,470 --> 02:35:46,410
maybe Sean David Morton or Billy Meyer

3957
02:35:51,140 --> 02:35:48,480
but they're part of the problem and they

3958
02:35:53,990 --> 02:35:51,150
are muddy in the waters at the very

3959
02:35:56,030 --> 02:35:54,000
least and at the most as you put it they

3960
02:35:59,150 --> 02:35:56,040
are deeply wounding and misleading

3961
02:36:02,030 --> 02:35:59,160
people and toying with their belief

3962
02:36:06,530 --> 02:36:02,040
systems and you know their their inner

3963
02:36:08,180 --> 02:36:06,540
core and it's just inexcusable yep

3964
02:36:09,800 --> 02:36:08,190
couldn't agree more and you know what

3965
02:36:11,390 --> 02:36:09,810
it's kind of like politics and I'm not

3966
02:36:13,670 --> 02:36:11,400
gonna mention any particular politician

3967
02:36:14,630 --> 02:36:13,680
but if you see somebody who is doing

3968
02:36:15,410 --> 02:36:14,640
something like that in the political

3969
02:36:17,960 --> 02:36:15,420
sphere

3970
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they're always surrounded by enablers

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people who should know better or do know

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better but for whatever reason they go

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along

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I mean Hitler had a bunch of those

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people so I can use Hitler that's easy

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and there were a lot of people within

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the Nazi system who didn't necessarily

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believe in Nazism but they went along

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for the ride ufology has that too and

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I'll just leave you with this name

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Richard Dolan every time you stand on a

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stage or sit on a stage with Corey Goode

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you're doing more harm than good as the

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case may be

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[Laughter]

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I noticed that I've asked Richard Dolan

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to come back on this show and maybe he

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thinks he's not gonna get the treatment

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he deserves so well he thinks he's gonna

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get the treatment he deserves there

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might be that we can talk about that and

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after the para cast and I'll explain why

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he's the worst offender in the Roswell

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slide scam yeah okay that's the way

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we're gonna lead that and after the

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power cast Paul's gonna be back he'll be

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back and then we'll see what happens

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Paul Kimball tell our listeners please

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where they can find more of the stuff

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you do the best place to look would be

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with 288 characters instead of just 144

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isn't that spectacular I have to have

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another radio show the tech night out

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live where I'll be reviewing a 5k TV set

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that the idiots at UPS left on an open

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patio on my first floor apart but just

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toss it in there anyone could have taken

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it but that's where it goes I still

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found it we have that special feature of

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the show that Paul will be present and

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